Originally posted by psmith81992
Says you. He's your favorite character so you'll take the slightest hint of proof as end all. He is not my favorite character so I require something with a bit more..Substance.
Let's skip the part where this devolves into an endless ***-for-tat about bias, Sidious, Vitiate & Revan, and jump to the "agree to disagree" chapter.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You are.
You've already been embarrassed enough, adults are talking now.
Let's skip the part where this devolves into an endless ***-for-tat about bias, Sidious, Vitiate & Revan, and jump to the "agree to disagree" chapter.
The novel claims that Plagueis and Sidious both have sovereignty over the Force. Not just one or the other, but both. However, Plagueis is already long dead by the time Palpatine is finally "killed," but balance didn't return until Palpatine died on the Death Star. That shows the Palpatine was able to hold the Force in check over the entire galaxy, even with the Ones alive on Mortis, for decades. No Sith, ever, before or since, has accomplished such a feat. I don't get why that's so hard to believe.
...Pretty sure Palpatine was long dead by the time of that grudge match, so what's your point?
50 points if you can cite the passage of the book that proves this. [/B]
Chaos and Balance are the theme of the whole book. That Abeloth was simply beyond anything the Galaxy had ever seen before, beyond even Sidious and Vader(a character literally says as much, though I can't remember who). That with the Ones gone, only Jedi and Sith together can stop her. That Luke and Krayt had to step in the shoes of the Son and the Daughter. Abeloth was the "Bringer of Chaos", and only balance could stop her. Balance between light and dark.
Light Side = Dark Side
Daughter = Son
Luke = Krayt
They are each equals and opposites, counterparts. Balance.
That duality is emphasized over and over again so many times the writer might as well have smacked you across the head with the book. If you don't get that, I'm not sure what can be done for you...
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yea and it took both Plagueis and Sidious to "unbalance" the force..
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Despite the fact that The_Tempest is far better at wording arguments than I am, making them more clear and understandable, you're still unable to grasp something so simple.You.Are.A.Dumbass.
Says the kid who's constantly getting embarrassed and lost in his own words. 😆
It stayed unbalance even with Plagueis dead. If Sidious didn't have enough will to and power control the Force, it would have reverted back the state it was in before. There will is what gave them control. Sidious is also the major source of the Dark Side in the galaxy after Plagueis death by every account. I don't get what you don't understand.
So both of them unbalanced the force but...It was really Sidious? Lol. That sound as stupid as anything s66 has said.
But he didn't take over, and that's the point. Moreover, lets say Palpatine tipped the balance to the dark side when it was him against the entire Jedi Order. How much of a one sided affair would it be if it was him against Yoda and Luke? It was actually more even when it was 2 vs 2. And finally, how does Palpatine's death balance the force exactly? I forget, do we consider a balance when the light side exists and the dark side does not?
There's just too many inconclusive elements.
Or you could learn what the word "sovereignty" means. The Force wouldn't just let Palpatine control it. It didn't just let Plagueis control it. That is why Anakin exists in the first place. Seriously. I thought this was the stuff most people got when they were building the Millennium Falcon out of legos.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Or you could learn what the word "sovereignty" means. The Force wouldn't just let Palpatine control it. It didn't just let Plagueis control it. That is why Anakin exists in the first place. Seriously. I thought this was the stuff most people got when they were building the Millennium Falcon out of legos.
He's just stuck.