Originally posted by Jynocidus
Intuitively, I wonder about higher powers. I learned to read, and researched. The Bible makes sense to me.
So there's no other way for life to have come into existence save for as described in the Bible?
By what means have you determined the non-existence, or non-involvement, of other non-Abrahamic supernatural pantheons?
I think it's the perceived injustice of God and judging of oneself of being incapable of following, yet alone loving, such a being that is the biggest actual problem of people on these boards. It's not lost on me that the most vocal opponents of Christianity in this forum are people that claim to have been Christian years ago.
They thought following God would spare them the horrendous pain and suffering and loss of life that is, often today, the "natural" course of life. It doesn't.
I'm not sure it was promised to any Christian that it would, but people understandably feel that it should, and when that doesn't happen they feel angry and betrayed.
I myself have a hard time reconciling things when I come across articles like the following:
How to explain something like the above if a just God presides over the world?
How to explain any of the significant tragedies that afflict people every day?
Originally posted by MF DELPH
I think you misunderstand me. Leviticus details the means by which the Israelites can enslave other people, as well as eachother, and the rules and bylaws of slavery. Not as 'punishment', but by the right of the chosen people to subjugate non-Israelites. I find the ownership of other people immoral. People aren't property. Moreover, I fine racism and xenophobic laws immoral.As for magic; demonstrate it.
The Israelites wouldn't have been subject to those living conditions if something called sin hadn't happened, supposedly. Sin can be identified by what, theoretically...negative energy, by a stretch maybe? I'm trying to work with you here, my brother. They were far into the story, that I recall. Ownership, racism, conflict...the way I see it, people on this planet got warned.
As for magic, it's restricted in our universe. People hold too many gods before him 🙁 I'd love to have cosmic awareness n stuff, believe me
Originally posted by MF DELPH
So there's no other way for life to have come into existence save for as described in the Bible?By what means have you determined the non-existence, or non-involvement, of other non-Abrahamic supernatural pantheons?
I don't think it can be described any other way. He's the makes of all seen and unseen, and then there's the description about how in the beginning there was him, and the word. He made stars, life, light, matter...dude is powerful IMO
Well, much of the deities have been written off as myths. People don't believe in Thor and Zeus anymore, or Izanagi. All these different philosophies, and god(s).....don't they have parents? Who was Osirus' parents? Who fathered Zeus? Even the Titans? Compare their mythology vs someone who accounts for all seen and unseen (not to mention the people that glorified them), that made the heavens and the earth. The Bible is used to facilitate one of the world's top belief systems for a reason, maybe?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Show us another way.Show us reasonable evidence that life can come from non-life today.
An assertion without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I don't know how life began nor am I claiming to know. Simply asserting that a being which you can not provide any evidence to demonstrate it's existence as the cause doesn't make that position rational, particularly when you can simply assert the same claim for any other agent. What makes the Abrahamic God a more viable answer than Krishna or Amon-Ra, or simply that existence has always existed? It's essentially equivalent to asserting when my car malfunctions and I can't immediately determine what the actual cause is that Gremlins did it. That isn't a rational position.
Originally posted by Jynocidus
I don't think it can be described any other way. He's the makes of all seen and unseen, and then there's the description about how in the beginning there was him, and the word. He made stars, life, light, matter...dude is powerful IMOWell, much of the deities have been written off as myths. People don't believe in Thor and Zeus anymore, or Izanagi. All these different philosophies, and god(s).....don't they have parents? Who was Osirus' parents? Who fathered Zeus? Even the Titans? Compare their mythology vs someone who accounts for all seen and unseen (not to mention the people that glorified them), that made the heavens and the earth. The Bible is used to facilitate one of the world's top belief systems for a reason, maybe?
So belief makes something true? We don't have another method for determining the merits of a proposition?
Also, within their own canon, the lineage of these other pantheons are internally consistent. How have you determined that they are actually myth? In particular Hinduism which is still practiced in very large numbers. How have you eliminated Hinduism as being accurate in it's details of the "creation" event?
Also, you are aware of how Christianity/Catholicism (and most other major religions) spread, right? It wasn't a wholly voluntary enterprise that was facilitated by the apparent 'truth' in the books.
the reason why i think the bible is fiction is cause the stories in it sound like fiction. in every other case stories like noah, moses, and even jesus's resurrection would be regarded as myth/fiction. but i'm just supposed to believe these stories because they were written down a long time ago. in the OT god is constantly making it plain as day to the israelites that he is real and even still some of them take on idols or disbelieve. for example look at elijah the prophet. he had god light a stack of wood on fire with a beam from the sky to prove that he was the real god and not baal. why doesn't shit like that ever seem to happen anymore? whenever i ask a religious person this they say that was the period of revelation which is now over. why did they get fire beams from the sky and all i get is some dusty old books that talk about it?
Originally posted by red g jacks
the reason why i think the bible is fiction is cause the stories in it sound like fiction. in every other case stories like noah, moses, and even jesus's resurrection would be regarded as myth/fiction. but i'm just supposed to believe these stories because they were written down a long time ago. in the OT god is constantly making it plain as day to the israelites that he is real and even still some of them take on idols or disbelieve. for example look at elijah the prophet. he had god light a stack of wood on fire with a beam from the sky to prove that he was the real god and not baal. why doesn't shit like that ever seem to happen anymore? whenever i ask a religious person this they say that was the period of revelation which is now over. why did they get fire beams from the sky and all i get is some dusty old books that talk about it?
because there would be no such thing as faith if you saw it
Originally posted by red g jacks
the reason why i think the bible is fiction is cause the stories in it sound like fiction. in every other case stories like noah, moses, and even jesus's resurrection would be regarded as myth/fiction. but i'm just supposed to believe these stories because they were written down a long time ago. in the OT god is constantly making it plain as day to the israelites that he is real and even still some of them take on idols or disbelieve. for example look at elijah the prophet. he had god light a stack of wood on fire with a beam from the sky to prove that he was the real god and not baal. why doesn't shit like that ever seem to happen anymore? whenever i ask a religious person this they say that was the period of revelation which is now over. why did they get fire beams from the sky and all i get is some dusty old books that talk about it?
I have a simple answer to your question: they are just fictional stories. That's so simple. Now we can ask, why was this story saved? What is it about this story or that story that made it important to the people of the past to have spent the time to write it down and pass it on?
Originally posted by MF DELPH
So belief makes something true? We don't have another method for determining the merits of a proposition?Also, within their own canon, the lineage of these other pantheons are internally consistent. How have you determined that they are actually myth? In particular Hinduism which is still practiced in very large numbers. How have you eliminated Hinduism as being accurate in it's details of the "creation" event?
Also, you are aware of how Christianity/Catholicism (and most other major religions) spread, right? It wasn't a wholly voluntary enterprise that was facilitated by the apparent 'truth' in the books.
It's more like...even with all things considered, everything we know of has a maker. There's no way around it. The bible says heavens which means space and stars were made by an intelligent being. No planetary intelligence can make or break a star, and they move around slow in space.
Hinduism is polythiestic. The Bible talks about god(s) before him, and others that don't exist being foolish and strange. That goes along with any other religion that has a god of this, and a god of that, or a god of such and such. There is none of that. Well, there is presently....but there's no supernatural unfortunately. Maybe if we switch, who's to say what would happen.
I am aware that many faiths were spread by the sword. Some books command to do that, where to my knowledge...the Bible says that it would be done. The events in the Bible occurred before a lot of these faiths to my knowledge
Originally posted by Jynocidus
It's more like...even with all things considered, everything we know of has a maker. There's no way around it. The bible says heavens which means space and stars were made by an intelligent being. No planetary intelligence can make or break a star, and they move around slow in space.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
thats not for us to approve what he does its the other way around... the thought that we are superior is the fall of man...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No! Not true. We can look out into space and see stars that are being born naturally, right now. We can see examples of each stage of their development. Therefore, stars are born naturally without help from a god.
no god created a system.. a great order.. a beautiful wonderful vast space full of things.. that only he can create on that scale...
look at the order.. the beauty.. admire it... then tell yoself it came from a random bang that came from no where
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No! Not true. We can look out into space and see stars that are being born naturally, right now. We can see examples of each stage of their development. Therefore, stars are born naturally without help from a god.
The Creator made space, stars, and frames of time. It's not fiction. None of this is happening without a superior life form. What you call natural is a condition is celestial mechanics at play.
The Creator wants his props, his mark is in the DNA of all life forms. 🤨