Tempest's Official Primer on Sidious > Maul&Savage

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's a lot of weird faces you've put there Tempest.

They capture my feelings perfectly.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
All the talk of how much Sidious is above Maul/Opress aside, you hoping Maul shows up in Rebels?

No.

Arhael
Filoni did not say Opress and Maul combined are not competition,

He sure did.

Arhael
they were,

They weren't.

Arhael
that's why the fight took so long for him to finish.

Nah, he was just goofing around.

Arhael
Kenobi was not nearly as powerful as Anakin, should I remind you what happened?

Yeah, Anakin lost. Unlike Sidious. excellent

Arhael
One does not win an argument with funny gifs and biased speculations. You proved nothing, the end.

One certainly doesn't win with constant backpedaling and opinions that directly contradict source material and Word of God. You lose bro, Sheev pwns.

FreshestSlice
Are you mad? You sound mad.

He's enraged.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

No.

You just don't want him to appear on Tv again? Or you just don't want to see him in any medium again?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You just don't want him to appear on Tv again? Or you just don't want to see him in any medium again?

Putting him in Rebels would be stupid as hell thematically and narratively and just reek of pure fanservice. Rebels is a Firefly-esque show about a a dysfunctional "family" comprised of ragtag dissidents in the galactic backwater trying to get by under an oppressive regime with which they inevitably come into conflict. These guys aren't that important to justify the presence of Maul, who comes from a totally different story.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Putting him in Rebels would be stupid as hell thematically and narratively and just reek of pure fanservice. Rebels is a Firefly-esque show about a a dysfunctional "family" comprised of ragtag dissidents in the galactic backwater trying to get by under an oppressive regime with which they inevitably come into conflict. These guys aren't that important to justify the presence of Maul, who comes from a totally different story.

They're starting off that way. But this crew is eventually going to be an important set up into the start of the Rebellion.

In terms of the time frame though, they would not get a better opportunity to finish off loose ends from TCW IMHO.

Let's just pretend something like Old Wounds happened and forget about it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Putting him in Rebels would be stupid as hell thematically and narratively and just reek of pure fanservice. Rebels is a Firefly-esque show about a a dysfunctional "family" comprised of ragtag dissidents in the galactic backwater trying to get by under an oppressive regime with which they inevitably come into conflict. These guys aren't that important to justify the presence of Maul, who comes from a totally different story.

Also ANH Vader would apparently destroy them all in seconds, Dahell will maul do except make them run?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Let's just pretend something like Old Wounds happened and forget about it.

And what do people who watched the cartoons but never read any EU stuff pretend?

Originally posted by Selenial
Also ANH Vader would apparently destroy them all in seconds, Dahell will maul do except make them run?

If he does come into it, it would obviously be 1 arc probably involving Kenobi, and with the Rebels crew somehow involved in the background.

Besides who says Maul would just attack the Rebels crew for no reason now? They may just come across him somewhere/somehow, not realzing who/what he is, and then other Big players get involved.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They're starting off that way. But this crew is eventually going to be an important set up into the start of the Rebellion.

In terms of the time frame though, they would not get a better opportunity to finish off loose ends from TCW IMHO.

Movies?

Keep Maul the hell away from Rebels.

I bet he'll be no match for Ezra's slingshot.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Movies?

They would never do that (I don't think). Because it would confuse people who've seen the movies, but not watched the cartoons.

They will always look at it from a business point of view like this (where > means more important):

Movie audience > Live Action Tv audience >/= Animated Tv audience > Novel readers > Comic book readers.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They would never do that (I don't think). Because it would confuse people who've seen the movies, but not watched the cartoons.

They will always look at it from a business point of view like this (where > means more important):

Movie audience > Live Action Tv audience >/= Animated Tv audience > Novel readers > Comic book readers.

I think any fan willing to pay money to go see the movies, would be a big enough fan to be aware of the cartoons. I mean, they introduced Grievous in ROTS as if viewers already knew about him.

Regardless, a brief flash back as to how he survived would do. Would you rather that, or him randomly appearing in Rebels, and then Kenobi most likely coming to save the day just to go back into hiding? Other than Vader or Tarkin making brief appearances Sidious-style (via holograms), I think having the big shots show up in Rebels would be stupid, especially jedi like Kenobi or Yoda who vowed to hide until the time is right, and I'm almost positive that if they bring Maul in Rebels, they will bring Kenobi in it as well. The whole rise of the Empire is as bad as it gets, and Kenobi coming out of hiding to deal with Maul, a far lesser threat to the galaxy as a whole than the empire, would contradict Kenobi's purpose of exiling himself. Besides, do you want to see a goofy looking Maul? I mean, the animation is straight for a younger audience, but nowhere near as good as the animation for TCW. That's why I rather not even see Vader making an appearance at all.

Do you know of any good way of how'd they come about bringing Maul into the picture?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I think any fan willing to pay money to go see the movies, would be a big enough fan to be aware of the cartoons. I mean, they introduced Grievous in ROTS as if viewers already knew about him.

I'd say the difference there is Grievous was a new character to the movies, and not one resurrected from a previous film.

I think many SW Movie fans will be aware of the cartoons and Maul's resurrection. But not your general movie audience.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Regardless, a brief flash back as to how he survived would do.

Possibly.

Just not sure how accepting audiences would be of that. Especially given the hate towards the PT, (TPM in particular). Could be cool though I guess. But would we lose Sam Witwer's voice? I loved the way he voiced Maul.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Would you rather that, or him randomly appearing in Rebels, and then Kenobi most likely coming to save the day just to go back into hiding? Other than Vader or Tarkin making brief appearances Sidious-style (via holograms), I think having the big shots show up in Rebels would be stupid, especially jedi like Kenobi or Yoda who vowed to hide until the time is right, and I'm almost positive that if they bring Maul in Rebels, they will bring Kenobi in it as well. The whole rise of the Empire is as bad as it gets, and Kenobi coming out of hiding to deal with Maul, a far lesser threat to the galaxy as a whole than the empire, would contradict Kenobi's purpose of exiling himself. Besides, do you want to see a goofy looking Maul? I mean, the animation is straight for a younger audience, but nowhere near as good as the animation for TCW. That's why I rather not even see Vader making an appearance at all.

You see at least with Rebels, it's a weekly series. Your bound to have big random story arcs now and then, without taking away the basic concept of the show.

I think when Kenobi hears the name Maul, he definitely would come out of hiding. I mean let's not forget all the s*** Maul put Kenobi through.
Vader's already going to be shown in Hologram form this month (in an added scene to the pilot). So chances are we're almost definitely going to see more of him, in the flesh.

The animations not all bad. The stromtroopers looked really good Imo. And I'm sure it'll improve, but yeah there is that more kiddish element to it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Do you know of any good way of how'd they come about bringing Maul into the picture?

Him offering to help the Rebels maybe (not because he's good, but because he hates Sidious). But then turning out to manipulate the Rebels as well as trying to get Sidious/Vader's attention? Could be the rebels give him an opportunity he thought he'd never get. But then not sure where Kenobi would fit into the picture. Perhaps Kanan knows him and contacts him to say that they've got a nutty Darksider helping them out, do you know who it is Lol

Of course we don't know what Spin-Off movies they're making yet. If they do a Kenobi solo movie with Ewan Mcgregor, then I think Maul would fit right in that one. But I doubt they'll do an Obi-Wan movie, given he pretty much was the main character throughout the Prequels.

But a movie Maul would Not fit into IMO, is Episode 7. It's just too far down the line. What would Maul have been doing for the past 50 years, and how old would he have to be? That would make little sense, and they wouldn't risk such a big connection to the Prequels with Episodes 7-9.

The animation is great, but, IMO, it doesn't do the villains justice. TCW Maul looked dark and intimidating. I just can't see him looking the same in Rebels, but as long as the story is good that can be overlooked.

The movies wouldn't have to have Kenobi's presence to make Maul a major character. With the Rebels, though, Kenobi will most definitely show up to save the day if Maul comes, as none of the main heroes are up to par with handling someone like Maul. Though, of course, they can always have Darth Vader take Maul out, which I wouldn't mind seeing. The are pretty decent at depicting fight scenes. I enjoyed watching the fight scene in the last episode.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

The movies wouldn't have to have Kenobi's presence to make Maul a major character. With the Rebels, though, Kenobi will most definitely show up to save the day if Maul comes, as none of the main heroes are up to par with handling someone like Maul.

I think because they really built up the rivalry with those 2, and because Kenobi has a big score left to settle with Maul, that any medium Maul comes back in will inevitably involve Kenobi.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Though, of course, they can always have Darth Vader take Maul out, which I wouldn't mind seeing.

I don't think anyone would mind seeing that!

And at least that can be a proper fight, (Unlike Sidious vs Maul Lol) and Maul may even grow in power a bit over the years making Vader vs Maul an even better fight.

Kenobi coming out of hiding to deal with Maul would honestly be one of the dumbest ideas ever.

Yeah, if it were like that then he should have popped out to deal with Vader already.

Originally posted by ares834
Maul being in Rebels would honestly be one of the dumbest ideas ever.
ftfy 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, if it were like that then he should have popped out to deal with Vader already.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
ftfy 👆

Well, that too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, if it were like that then he should have popped out to deal with Vader already.

Yeah except Vader would capture/kill him. He's in hiding from the actual Sith and the Empire, Not from Maul. And he's keeping an eye on Luke but not exactly living with him and spying on him 24/7.

So you guys all think that Kenobi leaving Tatooine a few times in the 20 years he was there for important enough threats/missions that only he can deal with would be "the dumbest thing ever? "

I have a feeling you guys will ultimately be very disappointed in the new canon. Maul or not, Kenobi's bound to show up at some point IMHO.

So anyway how do you guys suggest they deal with Maul still being alive somewhere? Do you think they should just ignore it?

I would prefer non-patronising and non-sarcastic answers about how he never should have been revived in the first place.