I want to first address this issue that Zannah's Saber shields were impenetrable.
Her best feat was simply surviving Darth Bane. Now if we look at that in a little more depth, You'd see why it doesn't impress me. The whole point of Soresu is being able to defend against an onslaught whilst simultaneously attacking. What you have to notice during the Zannah vs Bane fight is how Zannah couldn't attack back at all. She could not do what Soresu masters have to and jab in at the right time, pick at defenses or take opportune strikes.
This really goes to show how overwhelming Bane was for her, she was focussed entirely on defense, ignoring all possible chance of actually attacking, and was Still getting pushed back, at a disadvantage and really generally stomped in sabers.
Now sure she was building up force energy, but that won't apply here. She doesn't have the time to build up for powerful Sorcery and it likely wouldn't work on Jaina anyway, and if we were to compare who has better displays of TK, Lightning etc I think we'd all agree on Jaina.
Her skills in the offensive sides of Lightsaber Combat were renowned among her order, she has speedblitzed Dark Jedi on a DS Nexus, over a Dozen Vong Strikers (Who are no mooks I tellz ya) and proven herself time and time again as a prominent saber Duelist.
She fought Caedus, and whilst he wasn't paying too much attention to her in terms of wanting to kill her, that mainly reflected in their force duel. Their Saber duel was still all out, and he himself being a master of Form V still fell to her...
Originally posted by Selenial
I want to first address this issue that Zannah's Saber shields were impenetrable.
"Almost" impenetrable. Zannah isn't a god.
Originally posted by Selenial
Her best feat was simply surviving Darth Bane. Now if we look at that in a little more depth, You'd see why it doesn't impress me. The whole point of Soresu is being able to defend against an onslaught whilst simultaneously attacking. What you have to notice during the Zannah vs Bane fight is how Zannah couldn't attack back at all. She could not do what Soresu masters have to and jab in at the right time, pick at defenses or take opportune strikes.This really goes to show how overwhelming Bane was for her, she was focussed entirely on defense, ignoring all possible chance of actually attacking, and was Still getting pushed back, at a disadvantage and really generally stomped in sabers.
That's not how Zannah utilized Soresu though. Her strategy wasn't to defend whilst counterattacking, it was to defend indefinitely while wearing her opponent down and letting them exhaust themselves trying to beat her or to build up her force powers and rely on them behind her defense. Bane wasn't so overwhelming that she couldn't counterattack, it's just that her style wasn't to counterattack until she had the decisive advantage.
So no, she wasn't being stomped.
Originally posted by Selenial
Now sure she was building up force energy, but that won't apply here. She doesn't have the time to build up for powerful Sorcery and it likely wouldn't work on Jaina anyway, and if we were to compare who has better displays of TK, Lightning etc I think we'd all agree on Jaina.
I don't agree with that. Sure, Zannah doesn't actually have lightning or never displayed it, but she was able to deal with Bane's lightning without issues. And Bane's lightning is greater than Jaina's. In terms of TK Jaina doesn't impress me either. All she has is throwing some rocks. She holds no edge there and couldn't challenge Zannah with it. So Zannah surely would have the time to build up her sorcery, since Jaina doesn't have anything to stop her quickly enough.
Originally posted by Selenial
Her skills in the offensive sides of Lightsaber Combat were renowned among her order, she has speedblitzed Dark Jedi on a DS Nexus, over a Dozen Vong Strikers (Who are no mooks I tellz ya) and proven herself time and time again as a prominent saber Duelist.She fought Caedus, and whilst he wasn't paying too much attention to her in terms of wanting to kill her, that mainly reflected in their force duel. Their Saber duel was still all out, and he himself being a master of Form V still fell to her...
Nothing above what Bane was capable of or indicative of being able to get through Zannah's defense. I actually posted two comparisons between Zannah and Jaina in terms of speed and Zannah had the decisive edge.
Caedus was injured when they fought, plus Luke was interfering in the fight. The second time, he only had one arm.
This forum is... shocking and grotesque with their knowledge on Star Wars.
I am appalled that members are taking Nepthys' argument over Selenial's and NewGuy01's.
I'm just here for self-satisfactory of Darth Zannah's demise, and the enjoyment of calling out Nephthy's double standards at every opportunity possible.
I already beat Nephthys in the Darth Zannah vs Revan debate twice, I think my superiority stands. 🙂
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This forum is... shocking and grotesque with their knowledge on Star Wars.
I am appalled that members are taking Nepthys' argument over Selenial's and NewGuy01's.
I'm just here for self-satisfactory of Darth Zannah's demise, and the enjoyment of calling out Nephthy's double standards at every opportunity possible.
I already beat Nephthys in the Darth Zannah vs Revan debate twice, I think my superiority stands. 🙂
Let me makes this perfectly clear, Debates can get heated i get that, but if anyone starts talking shit and trolling, their argument along with their vote will become not be taken into consideration. Keep this civilized and mature. That goes for everyone.
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Anyway, I'm still undecided, like someone on here said, this could really go either way. At the moment though, Neph is making Valid points.
I should also add that during one of her fights with Caedus(I can't remember which one) The text states that Caedus's force energy/strength was greater than Jaina's own. I remember reading it in Nova's thread, but i can't seem to find it atm. just thought i should bring that to the table.
Oh and i will note that getting socks to vote for a character is the lowest of lows and shows that the person in question can't win a debate without resorting to such idiotic and "grotesque" little plots. I hope no one will resort to those tactics.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No one is talking shit besides Nephthys. I don't see the point of singling me out. Please avoid bias in this thread, thank you. 🙂
If I truly held any "bias" i would not have taken your arguments into account and I would have invalidated your vote all together, I did not do either of those things.
But please get back to the topic at hand 🙂
Happy debating and Good Luck.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
If I truly held any "bias" i would not have taken your arguments into account and I would have invalidated your vote all together, I did not do either of those things.But please get back to the topic at hand 🙂
Happy debating and Good Luck.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There are many forms of bias, and you implying that proves you do strangely have a bias against me despite our recent conversations together (confused). 😖
DarthAnt, I hang out with Emperordmb and Wildbantha88, the fact that I am STILL undecided should be more than enough to prove that i have no bias in this.
Please drop this and continue with the main topic. Thank You!