Second Place Sith Lord Battle #3: Darth Caedus vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Maybe it's just because the balance of these forums rest on my opposing Neph wherever he goes

Why? I thought we were cool.

I hate you.

Neph is pretty terribad, yes.

But I'm so charming!

He's supposed to be one of the best debaters in KMC's 115 thousand hour history, but then he gets owned by Master Han in like one and a half posts.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Without prep, Revan!Vitiate loses after a difficult fight. Peak!Vitiate, in turn, takes it with moderate difficulty imo.

The problem with Vitiate IMHO is that force-wise he is in the same tier as RotS Sidious, Yoda, Plagueis or Caedus, but each of these guys vastly outstrip him as duelists.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan himself said that he had no chance against Vitiate in one on one for long.

There were without a doubt, points in the novel where Revan could've killed him, after using the force in his purest form, Revan could've thrown his damn lightsaber at him, boom, dead. Just as well, he did last longer then expected.

Yeah, cuz Vitiate has no chance against a freaking saber throw.

^'cept he actually didn't, 'cause Meetra disarmed him with one. Like, Vitiate really doesn't know how to use a lightsaber. At all. He's used to getting by on his immense strength in the Force and ability to prep like crazy by virtue of his nexus and his security system.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, cuz Vitiate has no chance against a freaking saber throw.

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that he was off guard long enough for Revan to put some action in. Revan is a genius tactician, but he chose literally the worst time to act like a dummy.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that he was off guard long enough for Revan to put some action in. Revan is a genius tactician, but he chose literally the worst time to act like a dummy.

Revan was also blown back by that attack. By the time he recovered and threw the saber Vitiate could have easily swatted it aside or blocked it with a shield.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
^'cept he actually didn't, 'cause Meetra disarmed him with one. Like, Vitiate really doesn't know how to use a lightsaber. At all. He's used to getting by on his immense strength in the Force and ability to prep like crazy by virtue of his nexus and his security system.

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It should also be noted that by Scourge's premonitions, Revan + Scourge + Meetra stood a legitimate shot at defeating Vitiate, even though Scourge and Meetra were kind of trivial in power next to Revan at this point in time.

LMAO I still don't read anything relevant to Revan/Vitiate's power comparison in these arguments. Just hiding behind pure PIS. Vitiate could've sent his full powered lightning in the beginning and eliminate Revan right away if you wanna go there. Then he could easily kill Scourge and Meetra too.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
It should also be noted that by Scourge's premonitions, Revan + Scourge + Meetra stood a legitimate shot at defeating Vitiate, even though Scourge and Meetra were kind of trivial in power next to Revan at this point in time.

There's no dodging this.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
There's no dodging this.

Scourge was seeing every possible future that could happen. That Revan and co had won in some doesn't suggest they had a legitimate shot. Scourge himself says they would have lost.

A much more powerful Scourge doesn't dare face a weakened Vitiate in battle alongside the Hero because he knew he couldn't stand up to Vitiate.

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BTW Ant, I think Plagueis should be another candidate for the second place.

Tulak Hord, Nihilus and Exar Kun are strong contenders as well, in some people's opinion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Scourge was seeing every possible future that could happen. That Revan and co had won in some doesn't suggest they had a legitimate shot. Scourge himself says they would have lost.

A much more powerful Scourge doesn't dare face a weakened Vitiate in battle alongside the Hero because he knew he couldn't stand up to Vitiate.

Vitiate himself hesitates when confronted with all three. We've been over this. No one's saying that the odds were 50/50, but yes, they definitely had a shot at the title. It's all there, black and white, and your bias doesn't change that.