Kyle Katarn vs Aryn Leneer

Started by S_W_LeGenD6 pages

Originally posted by Aurbere
We tried that on the SWTOR forums. It was about as effective as telling you that Vitiate isn't as powerful as Father. Don't know if your opinion changed on that front, but I haven't seen the fruits of such labor.

You presented arguments but failed to comprehend mine. Star Wars isn't coherent in the matters of "most powerful" among its characters. If you haven't figured this out yet, you will never.

My intention is to simply "caution" people about these matters. Believe whatever you want, you are free to do so.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A solid argument for Luke Skywalker being the most powerful Force-user of the mythos was once possible. Then Abeloth was introduced which was touted to be a dozen times stronger then Luke Skywalker. This declaration was challenged by some on the basis of superiority of G-canon over C-canon argument but The Ones came in to the picture as well.

I don't know what you're even trying to say here. Nobody here is suggesting that Luke > the ones. This caveat does not refute Luke's being the most powerful "mortal" Force user in galactic history. That is a statement well supported by both his feats and his accolades.


You see where this is heading?

Don't worry, your logic isn't very difficult to follow; it's just very difficult to actually agree with, since your above reply literally had absolutely nothing to do with the point being addressed.


Luke Skywalker could be the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed throughout galactic history but a hype more ambitious then this one is subject to scrutiny.

Yes, he's the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed, and he is also more powerful than Palpatine, and by extension every sith to have ever existed throughout galactic history.


Yes, it is possible to establish superiority of a character over another but this is possible on the basis of multiple forms of evidence.

Yes, and? You try to make rhetorically pleasing statements that tell us nothing and refute nothing I've pointed out.


This is an interesting take on this matter, I admit. However, you are sticking to older sources for information. Latest developments and revisions leave the possibility of your assertion being challenged.

"leave the possibility for your assertion being challenged" is a very weak attempt at a rebuttal. With the evidence we have at hand, Luke is the most powerful "conventional" Force user of all time.


For Yoda:

Yoda was a legendary Jedi Master and stronger than most in his connection with the Force. Small in size but wise and powerful, he trained Jedi for over 800 years, playing integral roles in the Clone Wars, the instruction of Luke Skywalker, and unlocking the path to immortality.

Source: http://www.starwars.com/databank/yoda

Yes, he doesn't have the same potential as Anakin, and he is not as powerful in actualized potential as Sidious or Luke. This is nothing new.


The "one of" point leaves room for flexibility in ranking of Anakin Skywalker on holistic level. He might rank # 1 but he may also rank # 10.

"may" is a very weak rebuttal to the overwhelming preponderance of evidence. Anakin at FP is far more powerful than Yoda or Sidious, who are the most powerful Jedi and sith up to their times. That there may have been some random Force user yet unmentioned in canon marks the epitome of straw grasping.

Yeah yeah, we fail to understand the ground realities of the mythos. Vitiate's the most powerful ever, and any and all points to the contrary are outdated.

/sigh

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Luke faught Sidious before they cut him off from the Force. :

Force Harmony technique can be used to empower and sever.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Yeah yeah, we fail to understand the ground realities of the mythos. Vitiate's the most powerful ever, and any and all points to the contrary are outdated.

/sigh


Not necessarily. Emperor Vitiate is a candidate as per BioWare.

Leia didn't channel the power of two other people into Luke. This is kind of sad, even for you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You presented arguments but failed to comprehend mine.

*sigh* SW_Legend, people don't "comprehend" your arguments not because you're some sort of brilliant genius as you believe, but because you have an utter inability to make intelligent points and present them coherently.

Star Wars isn't coherent in the matters of "most powerful" among its characters.

Jesus f*cking Christ, nobody needs to have 100% canonized proof to make a point in a debate, where the f*ck did you get this impression?


My intention is to simply "caution" people about these matters.

Your not so subtle arrogance probably annoys a lot of people given its contrast with your inability to understand basic concepts such as "preponderance of evidence".

Please stop insulting members, thank you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Please stop insulting members, thank you.

An entire village in Africa burned down its only computer and library after reading this post.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
An entire village in Africa burned down its only computer and library after reading this post.

I don't know how to reply to this comment without embracing my former self. Hm...

Do it. Embrace the Troll Side in all its power and splendor.

The greatest power is to stand alongside Christ.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not necessarily. Emperor Vitiate is a candidate as per BioWare.

The problem is in that last sentence...

Zannah is the real most powerful Sith ever. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah is the real most powerful Sith ever. 🙂

I disagree.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah is the real most powerful Sith ever. 🙂

Nah... Plo Koon is.

@Skybreaker

I will not respond to you due to your insulting tone.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Leia didn't channel the power of two other people into Luke. This is kind of sad, even for you.

Can you present an argument without a taunt?

Some statements that I recall:

"One Jedi cannot conquer the dark side alone…I guess we've proved that. Together, we were a Jedi fire that outshone his evil."

&

"Two are more powerful than one…three are more powerful than two."

It is possible that Leia empowered Luke with this technique after the Luke disarmed Sidious but issue is that Sidious defeated Luke earlier in single combat so how did Luke found the power to defeat or disarm Sidious in his final confrontation with Sidious? Leia was present in this final confrontation and she may have empowered Luke with Force Harmony technique or perhaps Battle Meditation.

Originally posted by Aurbere
The problem is in that last sentence...

Not my problem.

BioWare promoted Emperor Vitiate as the most powerful Force-user of the mythos, not me. This promotion may or may not be challenged by other authors officially. Thus far, Disney have separated Canon from Legends and is rewriting Canon.

Such as TCW...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]@Skybreaker

I will not respond to you due to your insulting tone.

🙄 What absurd immaturity on your part. Especially given that you've addressed everyone here with this extremely obvious tone of condescension, which is apparently OK because you decide to make it somewhat vague and play passive-aggressive with it.

Seriously, I can't help but cringe every time I read any of your drivel because I can't believe that you actually take the time to read over your posts without realizing just how absurd they sound. Favorite part: you love appealing to totally useless qualifying statements such as "Scourge is incredibly skilled with a lightsaber" and then assuming this means he can take on XX arbitrarily strong opponent, without bothering to explain the link between your evidence and your conclusion. It just sounds really, really dumb.