Lesse, non force users:
Enhanced top tier (those that are superhuman, just via non-force means)- Grievous, Durge, Yuuzhan Vong Warmansters
Top tier all-arounders- Kir Kanos, Pre Vizla, Jango Fett
Top tier in one area/near top all-arounder- Jarael, Cad Bane, Jahan Cross
Exceptionally skilled combatant- Rohlan Dyre, Jariah Syn, Rex
High skilled combatant- Cody, Panakan, most commandos, above-average clone troopers, normal Mandalorians etc.
Skilled combatant- Fully trained Clone Troopers and other skilled soldiers
Unskilled trained combatant- Random Stormtroopers (Rebellion era), B-1 Battledroid
Untrained combatant- Random bandits with weapons, etc.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoSayqv1TVI
Cad isn't really any lesser than Jango in any of the categories you listed.
Maybe we should make multiple tier ranking lists. For example; we could make a tier list for dueling abilities, a list for the force using abilities, the most knowledgeable force users, etc. My reasoning behind this is that it's hard to combine raw power, dueling skill, feats, and implied power and get a clear result. we could still keep a fairly short list of the tiers when they're all combined, but we should break them down into categories.
Originally posted by deathslash
Maybe we should make multiple tier ranking lists. For example; we could make a tier list for dueling abilities, a list for the force using abilities, the most knowledgeable force users, etc. My reasoning behind this is that it's hard to combine raw power, dueling skill, feats, and implied power and get a clear result. we could still keep a fairly short list of the tiers when they're all combined, but we should break them down into categories.
On the flipside, sometimes the whole is different than the sum of the parts. Some duelists are only good, but also skilled at including quick force attacks that themselves aren't overwhelming, and combine well for good effect.
While other people have good force and good dueling, but are pretty darn poor at using both at the same time.
For the record, Luke kind of has that 'strong as he needs to be' thing going on. If some writer thinks it'd be good drama to have him struggle with an encounter he should curbstomp, then so be it.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrongAsTheyNeedToBe
With this trope in mind, it's perfectly legit for Luke to have his own tier.
Originally posted by carthageHaving a tier 10-1 system would be pretty solid IMO. Luke being tier 10, Bane being tier 1, for example. And we can have different tiers for different aspects of combat, i.e Dueling tiers, Force tiers, all out tiers.
The comic book subforum had a ranking/tier system, this should still be undertaken so we can avoid needless reporting of posters to Badabing for laughable claims of making "spite threads". Please no fanboys though this has the potential to be a useful exercise
So Kenobi could be a tier 8 duelist but tier 7 all out because of his lack of Force power, for example. We had something akin to this on CV that might have worked out alright if it had been maintained. I kind of want to re-establish it.
The Tier system should work if we can make out who to place where based on their strengths, you hit the nail on the head with the example of Kenobi. If we could work it out, we'd have no more issues with "spite threads" or "mismatches". I don't know I liked the idea of a tier system based on an groupings of force/dueling skill as opposed to different ones.
I don't know I liked the idea of a tier system based on an groupings of force/dueling skill as opposed to different ones.Neither do I but a lot of people look at it that way sometimes. I think looking at a characters dueling skill and Force separately is more reliable than meshing the two together, too many variables.