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Anyway, I think Vos should be out of this lists, he is just inconsistent. Tol Skorr beat the hell out of him, well I remember ILS said Vos was weakened but, I still didn't see the source for this, I need to see it.

So without Vos's inconsistency, and Windu vs. Tiin's sparring match at TPM timeline make sense, Windu wasn't known as second only to Yoda until AotC showed up, so Windu could stalemate with anyone at the Jedi council at that time.

Not to mention Krayt, he should be in tier 8, he was holding his own against RotS Kenobi way before his prime, then he become more powerful as a duelist as well.

And I still don't get the Emokin wankers, he is good but no where near at another tier than Obi-Wan, or close to Sidious, Yoda or even Mace.

As for Vader ? How can you justify that Vader's dueling abilties are good as Anakin's ? That makes no sense at all. His best dueling feats are against featless Jedi, and he get trouble with low tier duelists sometimes.

Originally posted by Marco1907

So without Vos's inconsistency, and Windu vs. Tiin's sparring match at TPM timeline make sense, Windu wasn't known as second only to Yoda until AotC showed up, so Windu could stalemate with anyone at the Jedi council at that time.

He's been second to Yoda ever since Dooku left the Order actually.

Windu vs Tiin sparring match makes no sense at all.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He's been second to Yoda ever since Dooku left the Order actually.

There was no Dooku (in any source of Star Wars EU) until AotC showed up. So that equation created after AotC.

They created Dooku's past after AotC EU works.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Windu vs Tiin sparring match makes no sense at all.

As I said, that was before AotC, so we should ignore it. Windu is only second to Yoda equation created in AotC.

What I meant here is they didn't plan to put Dooku in Star Wars PT movies, until TPM is finished, they planned Dooku's character after TPM.

When AotC came out, People would roll eyes, if someone claimed that Windu can beat Sidious.

Originally posted by Marco1907
There was no Dooku (in any source of Star Wars EU) until AotC showed up. So that equation created after AotC.

They created Dooku's past after AotC EU works.

As I said, that was before AotC, so we should ignore it. Windu is only second to Yoda equation created in AotC.

What I meant here is they didn't plan to put Dooku in Star Wars PT movies, until TPM is finished, they planned Dooku's character after TPM.

Oh I see. You mean the source that shows that was created before AOTC and ROTS existed, so isn't reliable anymore. That's a good point actually. Since Windu also had a Blue Saber in that fight.

Kind of like how the Maul vs Vader fight is similarly not the most reliable evidence anymore since at that time we had no idea how good Maul was next to the other Sith Lords ; )

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh I see. You mean the source that shows that was created before AOTC and ROTS existed, so isn't reliable anymore. That's a good point actually. Since Windu also had a Blue Saber in that fight.

Kind of like how the Maul vs Vader fight is similarly not the most reliable evidence anymore since at that time we had no idea how good Maul was next to the other Sith Lords ; )

Yep. 👆

Vader had 3 movie before Maul showed up, what do you want more ? Lol. Not to mention Lucas himself said that PT is the prime of the Jedi, not OT. Vader is not a good duelist as Maul is, or Dooku is, due to his heavy suit. But if want to prove it otherwise by actual dueling feats, be my guest.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Yep. 👆

Vader had 3 movie before Maul showed up, what do you want more ? Lol. Not to mention Lucas himself said that PT is the prime of the Jedi, not OT. Vader is not a good duelist as Maul is, or Dooku is, due to his heavy suit. But if want to prove it otherwise by actual dueling feats, be my guest.

Lol why would I show proof when I'm not even arguing Vader being a better duelist than Maul or Dooku?

I'm saying that Old comic of Maul vs Vader doesn't really hold up now just like the Kolar vs Windu one doesn't either.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol why would I show proof when I'm not even arguing Vader being a better duelist than Maul or Dooku?

I'm saying that Old comic of Maul vs Vader doesn't really hold up now just like the Kolar vs Windu one doesn't either.

Alright, I misunderstood.

Well because I don't think those are the same examples since Dooku never existed when Infinity's End (1 of 4) (2000) comic book written (where Tiin and Windu sparring), because AotC showed up in (2002), and Resurrection (2001) comic written after TPM movie (1999), but nevermind.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Alright, I misunderstood.

Well because I don't think those are the same examples since Dooku never existed when Infinity's End (1 of 4) (2000) comic book written (where Tiin and Windu sparring), because AotC showed up in (2002), and Resurrection (2001) comic written after TPM movie (1999), but nevermind.

I get you but I just think there wasn't enough information in 1999-2001 on the Power scale of Prequel era Sith. No one knew there was a Count Dooku then, who could go toe to toe with Yoda, and stomp Kenobi. And that Vader would be that guy's replacement.

We also had no clue how Maul stacks up next to Sidious. Now we do.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I get you but I just think there wasn't enough information in 1999-2001 on the Power scale of Prequel era Sith. No one knew there was a Count Dooku then, who could go toe to toe with Yoda, and stomp Kenobi. And that Vader would be that guy's replacement.

We also had no clue how Maul stacks up next to Sidious. Now we do.

Dooku is going toe-to-toe with Yoda ? Hmm, when that happened ?
Since he can't even go toe-to-toe with Savage Opress ? (I did a counter wank here)

Stomping Kenobi ? Didn't you see the game mechanics here ? It seems game mechanics are very popular here, so we need to use it.

Dooku is not ultimately superior to Kenobi for a stomp, don't forget Kenobi managed to beat Skywalker while Dooku failed.

Either way Anakin's potential was Dooku's replacement, not Suit Vader.

And what was Maul stacks up next to Sidious ? Dooku and Vader wouldn't even give the same fight due to lack of physical abilities such as strength and speed.

Nevermind, your last post makes no f*** sense bro, I've mentioned about suit Vader while you started to wank Count Dooku again and being his replacement that is why Vader should strong but even that logic of yours fails ultimately because Anakin's potential was his replacement at the first place. Not suit, as you know Sidious never planned to make suit Vader his apprentice.

'' "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005. ''

Emperor was looking for Anakin's potential but Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. Then Emperor wanted Luke instead of suit Vader. Just like pre suit Anakin - Dooku exchange once.

As Lucas said, your logic fails here because there is no such thing as suit Vader > Dooku > Maul, as Lucas said they are same. Only Anakin's and Luke's potential would make diffferent here.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Dooku is going toe-to-toe with Yoda ? Hmm, when that happened ?
Since he can't even go toe-to-toe with Savage Opress ? (I did a counter wank here)

Stomping Kenobi ? Didn't you see the game mechanics here ? It seems game mechanics are very popular here, so we need to use it.

Dooku is not ultimately superior to Kenobi for a stomp, don't forget Kenobi managed to beat Skywalker while Dooku failed.

Either way Anakin's potential was Dooku's replacement, not Suit Vader.

And what was Maul stacks up next to Sidious ? Dooku and Vader wouldn't even give the same fight due to lack of physical abilities such as strength and speed.

Nevermind, your last post makes no f*** sense bro, I've mentioned about suit Vader while you started to wank Count Dooku again and being his replacement that is why Vader should strong but even that logic of yours fails ultimately because Anakin's potential was his replacement at the first place. Not suit, as you know Sidious never planned to make suit Vader his apprentice.

'' "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005. ''

Emperor was looking for Anakin's potential but Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. Then Emperor wanted Luke instead of suit Vader. Just like pre suit Anakin - Dooku exchange once.

As Lucas said, your logic fails here because there is no such thing as suit Vader > Dooku > Maul, as Lucas said they are same. Only Anakin's and Luke's potential would make diffferent here.

Thiz iz the problem of the EU...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/73/2d/e5/732de56987460dde99d40a9bfc7c75cb.jpg

EU + Lucaz =
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/73/2d/e5/732de56987460dde99d40a9bfc7c75cb.jpg

That'z why I prefer Revan who'z pure EU...

@ Marco:

I think you've lost the plot bro. I'm not even sure what it is you're arguing.

Maul, Vader and Dooku may all have similar potential but you only need to look at Dooku's battles against Obi-Wan and Anakin compared to Maul's battles with just Obi-Wan to know Dooku's still the bigger pro as of TCW.

There's no shame on Maul there. Dooku's much older and actualized almost his full potential. And yet still most would agree Maul would give Dooku a run for his money.

I never even argued that Vader > Dooku > Maul. I argued if you're going to question the whole Tiin vs Windu fight because of the time period it was set up, then you should also question the Maul vs Vader from that period.

Maul's Revival in TCW alone automatically made much of that comic Unreliable.

Yhea :
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/73/2d/e5/732de56987460dde99d40a9bfc7c75cb.jpg

Zometimez zidiouz V.Z Revan =
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCVQqAzAgE

7. Vitiate, Nihilus
6. Revan, Vaylin
5. Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, Traya, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord
4. Starkiller, Vader, Windu, Dooku, Tenebrous, Outlander, Arcann, Malgus, Nyriss, Meetra, Sion, Malak, Freedon Nadd
3. Kenobi, Maul, Yaddle, Bane, Gnost-Dural, Senya, Thanaton, Baras, Marr, Jadus, Satele, Ven Zallow, Vandar Tokare, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma
2. Savage, Ventress, Pong Krell, Plo Koon, Shaak-Ti, Fisto, Kolar, Cin Drallig, Depa Billaba, Eeth Koth, Qui-Gon, Tiin, Tau Idair, Scourge, Atris, Vrook, Bandon
1. Kenan, Ahsoka, Grand Inquisitor, Aayla Secura, Tiplee, Tiplar, Quinlan Vos, Luminara, Adi Gallia, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Even Piell, Kavar, Zez-Kai Ell, Visas, Bastila

1. Mortis Gods, Force Priestesses
2. Sidious, Bendu, Yoda, Luke Skywalker
3. Windu, Vader, Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Mother Talzin
4. Quinlan Vos, Maul, Kenobi, Ahsoka Tano, Kirak Infila, Porter Engle
5. Kylo ren, Rey, Ventress, Grevious, Oppress, Eeth Koth, Lord Momin, Cere Junda, Dagan Gera, Savina Malagan, Pong Krell, Qui Gon
6. Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, Adi Gallia, Aayla Secura, Bariss Offee, Grand Inquisitor, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Avar Kriss, Kanan Jarrus, Depa Billaba, Luminara, Stellan Gios, Elzar Mann

^
Nice list. I would demote Ahsoka to league 5. And there is alot of mess in 5 and 6. Kanan, who couldn't beat seventh sis after he defeated Grand Inq in the same league with Fisto who was going to beat Grievous?

Well Fisto was going to beat a very early Grevious, he got more powerful over the course of the war. Anyway I can agree on Ahsoka being demoted to 5

I dont think that Grievous had improve his skill that much. He was, until the very end, inconsistent fighter. He was doing well against Kenobi during one of finał seasons of TCW, yet was stomped on their finał fight.

Anyway, its all about prequel. Rest I would scale on legends terms, and there are thousands of.confirmations that Palpatine > Valkoriona, yet I would place them on tje same tier.

Revan, by logic, is tier below Valkorion, Nihilus might be there as well, yet I would place him below Revan. No way that jokes like Sion are that high. Nyrris was amped, not above Maul at best

0. The Father
1. Abeloth(Full Power)/The Son/The Daughter/World Razer
2. Valkorion, Onimi, Sekot, Luke Skywalker
2.1. DE Palpatine, Sel-Makor, Soa
3. UnuThul, Lomi-Plo (?), Hero of Tython, Peak Outlander (maybe) Peak Revan (maybe)
4. Yoda, Anakin, Revan, Vaylin, Outlander

The rest: who cares