Originally posted by Angelalex242
...Why isn't Han Solo on the non Force Using ranking system?
Because it's not supposed to be complete, just a few examples.
Where would you put him?
I'd think the 'Exceptionally skilled combatant' tier. He's a great quickdraw, and good at getting out of situations, but he's not stand out in HtH or such.
If Starship combat is included, not having Wedge Antilles is a travesty.
That'd certainly be separate, and wouldn't have to split force users from non.
Lesse, pilot-rankings:
Supreme tier:
Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Jaina Solo
Super Ace tier: Wedge Antilles, Soontir Fel, Maarek Stele
Top Ace tier: Tycho Celchu, Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, Rookie One
Ace tier: Rogue / Twin Sun Squadron pilots, Obi-Wan Kenobi
Skilled pilot tier: Most clone trooper and rebel pilots, experienced TIE pilots
Grunt pilot tier: Droid fighters, many TIE pilots
Unskilled pilots: Many civilian and makeshift military pilots. Most 'Ugly' pilots.
Originally posted by Q99
Lesse, pilot-rankings:Supreme tier:
Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Jaina SoloSuper Ace tier: Wedge Antilles, Soontir Fel, Maarek Stele
Top Ace tier: Tycho Celchu, Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, Rookie One
Ace tier: Rogue / Twin Sun Squadron pilots, Obi-Wan Kenobi
Skilled pilot tier: Most clone trooper and rebel pilots, experienced TIE pilots
Grunt pilot tier: Droid fighters, many TIE pilots
Unskilled pilots: Many civilian and makeshift military pilots. Most 'Ugly' pilots.
Actually Q I would remove TIE pilots from Grunt tier, they are noted as the best in the galaxy and many of the Rebel pilots are former TIE pilots. TIE pilots having superior reflexes to normal humans, that and only 10% of Imperial Pilots actually become TIE pilots.
The skilled pilot tier is where they should be, at base.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Actually Q I would remove TIE pilots from Grunt tier, they are noted as the best in the galaxy and many of the Rebel pilots are former TIE pilots. TIE pilots having superior reflexes to normal humans, that and only 10% of Imperial Pilots actually become TIE pilots.
Keep in mind that we're talking fighter pilots to begin with (i.e. those other ones are all on shuttles, transports, and warships, not fighters), and, well, TIE pilots make up the majority of the fighter pilots in the galaxy. They kinda have to be baseline. They do beat out militia pilots and so on (the 'unskilled' tier), but characters rarely refer to any random TIE pilot as particularly dangerous for passing TIE training.
And the high stand-out ones tend to be promoted to interceptors and such.
Originally posted by Q99
Because it's not supposed to be complete, just a few examples.Where would you put him?
I'd think the 'Exceptionally skilled combatant' tier. He's a great quickdraw, and good at getting out of situations, but he's not stand out in HtH or such.
Actually Han is a pretty good H2H combatant.
At age 17 he fought and won in a gladiatorial FFA arena, he knows various street fighting techniques. He was able to beat down several thugs while having a conversation with Agent Cross.
So all in all, Han isn't that bad of a H2H combatant either.
Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind that we're talking fighter pilots to begin with (i.e. those other ones are all on shuttles, transports, and warships, not fighters), and, well, TIE pilots make up the majority of the fighter pilots in the galaxy. They kinda have to be baseline. They do beat out militia pilots and so on (the 'unskilled' tier), but characters rarely refer to any random TIE pilot as particularly dangerous for passing TIE training.And the high stand-out ones tend to be promoted to interceptors and such.
Characters may not, but sources do note that they are pretty effective. Also yeah, the better ones do get promoted to better ships and the like.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Characters may not, but sources do note that they are pretty effective.
They're pretty effective, but no better than rebel or clones to be sure (the rebellion spending a lot of effort to get it's pilots good since it *had* to rely on quality over quantity, and helped by many of the defectors being skilled ones).
I mean, arguably one can put rebels, clones, and TIE pilots on the same level, but that's the best I could see.
Originally posted by Q99
They're pretty effective, but no better than rebel or clones to be sure (the rebellion spending a lot of effort to get it's pilots good since it *had* to rely on quality over quantity, and helped by many of the defectors being skilled ones).I mean, arguably one can put rebels, clones, and TIE pilots on the same level, but that's the best I could see.
I keep hitting the edit button instead of the quote one. :/ It annoys me...
But yeah them being in the same level would be about right.
Immortal Tier:
-The Father
-The Chosen One
-The Children of Mortis
-Abeloth
Tier 10:
-Grandmaster Luke Skywalker
-The Emperor Reborn
-Emperor Vitiate
-Grandmaster Yoda
-Darth Nihilus ()
Tier 9:
-Revan Reborn 3.0
-Darth Plagueis (This one will certainly spark controversy. I'm currently unsure of where exactly to place Plagueis.)
-Emperor Krayt
-Darth Caedus
-Exar Kun
-Darth Vader
-Emperor Malgus
-The Hero of Tython
-Darth Bane (w/Orbalisks)
Tier 8:
-Darth Tyranus
-Mace Windu
-Barsen'thor
-SoD Maul
-Starkiller
-Freedon Nadd (The dude was pretty damn badass, even feats-wise.)
-Darth Traya
-Emperor's Wrath II
-The Rest
I obviously don't expect conformity on this list, just throwing some tiers/names out there.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Revan Reborn 3.0