Its stated in the writing/manga that other world, hfil, and the kais planet is in the spiritual realms, unlike the physical realms where you can still fly or move instantly to get places. No amount of regular moving from the visible universe will get you to the kais planet/ otherworld.
normally you have to die to get from a- universe to b- otherworld, kais etc.. Normally a spirit unless your body was saved due to good deeds; instantaneous movement like instant transmission or the Kai teleportation can do it as well. Nowhere does it state ftl travel has taken place. That's nonsense. If that was the case, goku still wouldn't need spaceships by the gt sagas, etc..
Originally posted by heisetx
Original Kid Buu fought on the kais planet, (before some time absorbing the fat supreme Kai) You have to use some kind of teleportation to get there, or die in the physical universe.
He did not know how to instant transmission. Nothing of the sort was mentioned and if he did knew of it, he would've used it a long time ago. He learned it by seeing Goku do it.
Originally posted by carver9
When was it said that the magician transported Buu? He couldn't even controlled Buu and he went against Kid Buu actions which is the reason he was please with Fat Buu. So where was it said that he assisted Buu in any of his travels? Scans.
Buu was being transported around to wherevery the mage needed him to be. Which makes sense as even if Buu was a wildfire, we still know that he was present to Buu's chaos, being continuously mentioned and obviously needed for the sealing.
Originally posted by banana3
Omega was going to do it over a long period of time so it doesn't count.
That was talking about a specific technique he was doing.
There's no reason to believe the DB universe is less fragile anyway.
Our universe would laugh at the kind of power they throw around. Our universe has had far higher concentrations than any power in DB by many orders of magnitude. Solar system busting is not near a sneeze compared to real power.
The only way SSJ4 Gogeta beats god Goku is if someone can confirm that GT doesn't say Syn Shenron would destroy the galaxy OVER TIME.
Bzzt, that's a false premise. You can't try and ignore a bunch of evidence by setting a single goalpost.
There's a ton of stuff that indicates he's stronger. Not limited to, universal threat, not galactic. And Beerus was hurt by a SSJ2, aka a solar system buster.
Originally posted by BloodRain
The first conversation about Buu, right after the "hundredds of planets" page they say how Buu was sealed to conserve Bebidi's power, right on to saying that he used this to transport Buu to their next destination, Earth. It's just that Kibito killed him before the resurrection.Buu was being transported around to wherevery the mage needed him to be. Which makes sense as even if Buu was a wildfire, we still know that he was present to Buu's chaos, being continuously mentioned and obviously needed for the sealing. [/B]
Originally posted by Q99That was talking about a specific technique he was doing.
Our universe would laugh at the kind of power they throw around. Our universe has had far higher concentrations than any power in DB by many orders of magnitude. Solar system busting is not near a sneeze compared to real power.
Bzzt, that's a false premise. You can't try and ignore a bunch of evidence by setting a single goalpost.There's a ton of stuff that indicates he's stronger. Not limited to, universal threat, not galactic. And Beerus was hurt by a SSJ2, aka a solar system buster. [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
The only canon power levels listed in that game are the ones up to the Freeza saga. The other power levels are just laughable. The fact that you're STILL trying to cling to them shows me just how low you're willing to stoop.As I've said several times now: according to that game's power level chart, Freeza is nearly [b]3x
more powerful than a friggin CELL JUNIOR. Defending power levels that are blatantly/painfully/obviously incorrect is absolutely ridiculous. [/B]
You're the one who said if they were with a canon source they are canon themselves. I love how you ignore that part. The only odd power level is cell jr. Even then you have heroes like krillin, tien and yamcha holding there own against them. Why would they put canon power level in the game to begin with? Hmmmmmm
It just shows how wrong all of your theories are.
I will end on that note. But you can say one thing then change your mind because it doesn't fit your stance any longer. Just saying...
Originally posted by bbrem123You make no sense... None at all. I said that the video game's ONLY canon PL's are those that coincide with the ones mentioned in the manga, which should have already been obvious. The other NON-CANON power-levels listed in that game are just phucking ridiculous. Freeza... More powerful than a Cell Junior..? Retardedly absurd. Keep trying to defend that blatantly inaccurate source, though. It doesn't make you look desperate, I swear. 🙄
You're the one who said if they were with a canon source they are canon themselves. I love how you ignore that part. The only odd power level is cell jr. Even then you have heroes like krillin, tien and yamcha holding there own against them. Why would they put canon power level in the game to begin with? HmmmmmmIt just shows how wrong all of your theories are.
I will end on that note. But you can say one thing then change your mind because it doesn't fit your stance any longer. Just saying...
Did you just say that the humans could hold their own against the Cell Juniors, when not even ASSJ Vegeta and Trunks could? Lol, good God. Just when I thought you couldn't dig a deeper hole for yourself. 🙄x2
Yes, it's probably a good thing that you decided to end things there. 👆
Originally posted by BloodRain
😐Who cares if the wizard teleported them boh or flew him around in some ship? Point is its not Buu flying around, at all.
Originally posted by banana3
Nothing indicates Gogeta is above solar sytem busting beside the guidebook statement that may or may not be contradicted by the actual show.
And the slapping around a foe capable of threatening the universe.
And a solar system busting level fighter, Vegeta, was capable of hurting Beerus anyway.
Your argument is not nearly as strong as you think it is.
It's not implied anywhere that Buu was being transported in a ship. Besides even if you happened to be right, all it does is make the BoG trio higher above SSJ4 Gogeta then I previously thought.
You know, I've never been impressed by the 'I'm having trouble proving my point, I'll take a minor thing and say that it means my side wins by even more than I was already saying' school of arguing.
Well considering you just "refuted" a point in your favor it makes sense. Anyway Omega was capable of threatening the universe over a LONG time. That's not destructive capability at all. Beerus being by Vegeta means nothing when 1. Beerus wasn't at full power and 2. GT characters get hurt by ss busters all the time.
Originally posted by Galan007Still doesnt take away the fact that the held their own.
You make no sense... None at all. I said that the video game's ONLY canon PL's are those that coincide with the ones mentioned in the manga, which should have already been obvious. The other NON-CANON power-levels listed in that game are just phucking ridiculous. Freeza... More powerful than a Cell Junior..? Retardedly absurd. Keep trying to defend that blatantly inaccurate source, though. It doesn't make you look desperate, I swear. 🙄Did you just say that the humans could hold their own against the Cell Juniors, when not even ASSJ Vegeta and Trunks could? Lol, good God. Just when I thought you couldn't dig a deeper hole for yourself. 🙄x2
Yes, it's probably a good thing that you decided to end things there. 👆
Creators > Galan007 fake theories. Sorry man.
There are are so many examples that debunk your wack theories. You just like to either ignore them or give half assed counters.
I hope you dont take this debating tactic over to marvel and DC debates. You might want to start using actual feats my man.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/sirmethos/blog/why-power-scaling-doesn-t-work-in-dbz/95665/
Why powerscaling doesnt work
Originally posted by bbrem123But somehow you've neglected to name just ONE example. All you've done is throw a bunch of half-assed red herrings at me, and tried to deflect/back-peddle your way through this discussion. Idiocy.
There are are so many examples that debunk your wack theories. You just like to either ignore them or give half assed counters.
Also, it's laughably ironic that the guy who was trying to argue that a Cell Junior>Freeza "cuz da video game sed so" is telling ME that I should 'use feats' 😂. You should have stopped before you went full-moron. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007Fixed.
But somehow you've neglected to name just ONE example. All you've done is throw a bunch of half-assed red herrings at me, and tried to deflect/back-peddle your way through this discussion. Idiocy.Also, it's laughably ironic that the guy who was trying to argue that a Cell Junior<Freeza "cuz da video game sed so" is telling ME that I should 'use feats' 😂. You should have stopped before you went full-moron. 👆
Originally posted by banana3
Well considering you just "refuted" a point in your favor it makes sense. Anyway Omega was capable of threatening the universe over a LONG time. That's not destructive capability at all.
Yes it is, it's destroying a universe 🙂
Beerus being by Vegeta means nothing when 1. Beerus wasn't at full power and 2. GT characters get hurt by ss busters all the time.
A SSJ4 has never been hurt by a SSJ2.... and remember, GT base-form Goku and Vegeta > a solar system buster like Perfect Cell. Indeed, base-Goku was not hurt in his fight with Perfect Cell.
So, in short, you're wrong on multiple levels. You're just ignoring what's shown because it's inconvenient to your conclusion.
Originally posted by bbrem123
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/sirmethos/blog/why-power-scaling-doesn-t-work-in-dbz/95665/Why powerscaling doesnt work
That's... silly.
More powerful people who beat the crap out of less powerful people doesn't 'count'?
Keep in mind, this is not just counting-the-power-levels stuff, this is actual feats, who beats whom and by how much.
(And GT still has the best physical-strength-feats...)
If you've got to throw the results of fights out of the window in order to support your side, you don't have much of a side.