Darth Krayt vs Darth Bane (sabers only)

Originally posted by carthage
Bantha I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, so let me surmise it with my own quote. Who cares if Bane fights "Differently" than Orbalisk Bane, Krayt has superior showings to Bane's so-so unless Bane's "different"fighting style caused him to beat someone superior, it doesn't matter

Not how I already delineated in my example the fact you can't seem to get your mind around. Now let me break it down even further for you since you can't seem to understand that even before the orbalisks Bane's dueling ability was inferior to Krayt's:

Let me reiterate that not only is Kas'im featless, but he didn't beat him by virtue of his own skill. He used a nexus amp to dispatch him, can you please tell me what that has to do with his duel? Kas'im likewise has no feats to compare with Cade, Wyyrlok, and Krayt's blitzing of the knights is more impressive than Bane not being killed due to Kas'im's Jar kai advantage. Bane in DoE has no dueling feats to compare either, Zannah has beaten no one of note.

He wasn't beating him they were roughly fightly evenly, until he pulled out his other saber. Who cares Kas'im has no feats that put him above Cade, Wyyrlok, or Krayt's feat of blitzing knights. Also Bane was amped considerably when he fought him, as well as knew his style through constant sparring, Bane has none of those advantages here.

Zannah has no feats that put her above Cade or Krayt as a duelist. Whether or not he was gaining advantage over a duelist who has only beaten a featless half-trained Jedi knight doesn't put her above Krayt. Krayt is faster and more skilled than Zannah

2. Bane was beating Kas'im in the initial fight. Kas'im was in a retreat.

3. Bane being amped and familiar with Kas'ims style don't matter because Kas'im was amped as well and was familiar with Banes style. They both had the same advantages so there for they cross each other out

As for my apparent " comprehensive problems" I understand perfectly what you are trying yo say but you don't understand that none of that matters. What I can't comprehend is why you brought it up in the first place

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Babe

I'm imagining a pig running rampant with force lightning and wielding a red lightsaber in its little trotters. 😍

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm imagining a pig running rampant with force lightning and wielding a red lightsaber it its little trotters. 😍

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm imagining a pig running rampant with force lightning and wielding a red lightsaber it its little trotters. 😍

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608017999105820040&pid=1.7

1. The only part of the Kas'im duel that matters is up until the duel blades came out because after that was basicly Kas'im just cheating, so Babe having dispatched him with the force has nothing to do with his lightsaber skill.

Kas’im lunged in again, and the room was filled with the hiss and hum of lightsabers striking each other half a dozen times in the space of two heartbeats. Bane would have been carved to ribbons had he tried to react to each move individually. Instead he simply called upon the Force, letting it flow through him and guide his hand. He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extension of the Force, and he responded to the Twilek’s unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defens

Can you please tell me where in there it states that Bane had beaten him by virtue of his own skill? He had to call upon the darkside in the temple in order to respond, and Kas'im realized that he was doomed due to Bane's power not Bane's skill. Bane was more powerful in the force, not more skilled than Kas'im. Bane has no such advantage over Krayt, Krayt is much faster and has beaten better opponents (which you have no refutation for)

Here Kas'im admits he has no chance due to Bane's power in the force, again no mention of Bane's skill with a lightsaber:

The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas’im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all.

Bane also had intimate knowledge of Kas'im's form, something which he lacks against Krayt's skillset. Bane was amped by a nexus and was stronger int he force which caused him to overwhelm Kas'im, nowhere does it state that Bane won by virtue of being more skilled

As for my apparent " comprehensive problems" I understand perfectly what you are trying yo say but you don't understand that none of that matters. What I can't comprehend is why you brought it up in the first place

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I remember you using an argument against Gnost saying that being amped doesn't increase the characters lightsaber skill.

*puts on his detective glasses* I can only conclude that your argument was kill by somesort of double standard

My post was made in reference to Trocity's when he was bringing up his fight against the strike team- and how he thought the fight went. All I did was mention that he had a nexus and orbalisks along with that. I didn't mention anything about them increasing his skill. There are no doublestandards, and I even broke the posts down for you because you suck at reading.

So do you have any actual dueling feats that prove Bane is better than Krayt or are you just going to keep going over irrelevant stuff? Krayt simply is a better duelist

We are just going around In circles because you suck at debating and just ignore everything I say.

Bane being amped in the Kas'im duel because Kas'im was equelly as amped. Bane being familiar with Kas'im's lightsaber form means nothing because Kas'im literally taught him everything he knew. Both were amped and both were familiar with the others style. Are you actually going to acknowledge this now or are you going to keep going on like Bane beat Kas'im due to bring amped and familiar with Kas'ims style?

They were equally amped when they first started fighting, and then Bane had to give himself over to the force fully in order to win. I even posted the text for you from POD, when Bane drew upon his force reserves/the nexus he won. Again none of that had to do with his own skill, and its irrelevant whether or not he fought evenly with Kas'im- Kas'im is massively inferior to Krayt as a duelist and Cade.

I've already refuted that claim of yours, and posted text to support my argument. Now back to the topic what feats in lightsaber skill does Bane have that are superior to Krayt's?

You truly are hopeless. Smh

Krayt will never break through Banes Soresu wall. Bane can defend against a torrent of rain, that is far more than Krayt can hope to crank out

Close battle, going with Bane.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
You truly are hopeless. Smh

Krayt will never break through Banes Soresu wall. Bane can defend against a torrent of rain, that is far more than Krayt can hope to crank out

Krayt is faster than rain drops lmao, and yeah he can. Bane can't keep on the defensive forever, likewise Krayt is objectively the better duelist and is faster than Bane by a large margin. Again you've provided nothing in Bane's duels to prove he is a superior duelist to Bane- whether or not he can hold his defense is less of an issue than if he can beat Krayt.

Originally posted by carthage
They were equally amped when they first started fighting, and then Bane had to give himself over to the force fully in order to win. I even posted the text for you from POD, when Bane drew upon his force reserves/the nexus he won. Again none of that had to do with his own skill, and its irrelevant whether or not he fought evenly with Kas'im- Kas'im is massively inferior to Krayt as a duelist and Cade.

That's just Drew's way of describing duels. Kas'im mentions early on that reacting to each attack is hard so it's best to just give yourself over to the Force and start reacting instinctively and drawing on your skill instinctively. Remember, theres a scene where Kas'im praises Bane for letting the Force fully run through him and guide his blade.

👆 This was re-mentioned in the Harth vs Zannah fight in DOE.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's just Drew's way of describing duels. Kas'im mentions early on that reacting to each attack is hard so it's best to just give yourself over to the Force and start reacting instinctively and drawing on your skill instinctively.

None of that disproves the fact that he had to call extra hard on the force in order to win 👆. The text even says that Kas'im knew it was inevitable due to Bane's power in the force. Before that they were largely just going back and forth, which is due to Bane's knowledge of his form. When Bane drew on the force/temple he became more powerful, and the tide had changed. He doesn't have that edge here, Krayt will beat him by being more skilled and faster. Also there is no evidence Bane ever knew how to counter Jar kai

Originally posted by carthage
Krayt is faster than rain drops lmao, and yeah he can. Bane can't keep on the defensive forever, likewise Krayt is objectively the better duelist and is faster than Bane by a large margin. Again you've provided nothing in Bane's duels to prove he is a superior duelist to Bane- whether or not he can hold his defense is less of an issue than if he can beat Krayt.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
what is krayts best speed feat? Because I highly doubt it is above a torrent of rain

He blitzed 4 IKS at once, and formed tornados out of his blade.

He can overwhelm Bane at anytime, all Bane has done was move in a blur and form a shield out his blade

Originally posted by WildBantha88
what is krayts best speed feat? Because I highly doubt it is above a torrent of rain

He mad after images in the comics

Originally posted by WildBantha88
what is krayts best speed feat?

Originally posted by carthage
None of that disproves the fact that he had to call extra hard on the force in order to win 👆. The text even says that Kas'im knew it was inevitable due to Bane's power in the force. Before that they were largely just going back and forth, which is due to Bane's knowledge of his form. When Bane drew on the force/temple he became more powerful, and the tide had changed. He doesn't have that edge here, Krayt will beat him by being more skilled

No, he didn't. He called on the force as much as he does anywhere. Bane WAS winning because he was more powerful, yes. But so what. And lol wtf? Before that quote Kas'im attacks Bane with a single sequence. There was no back and forth.

Blitzing 4 knights is not faster than rain torrents. I concur, Krayt won't penetrate Banes defense

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he didn't. He called on the force as much as he does anywhere. Bane WAS winning because he was more powerful, yes. But so what. And lol wtf? Before that quote Kas'im attacks Bane with a single sequence. There was no back and forth.

Wrong as always

Kas’im sighed. "Then your life ends here." And be leapt in, his weapon moving with far more speed than he had ever shown during their practice sessions.
Parrying the first sequence Bane realized his former Master had always been holding something in reserve . . . just as Bane himself had done in the early stages of his battle against Sirak. Only now was he seeing Kas’im’s true ability, and he was barely able to defend himself. Barely, but still able.
His opponent grunted in surprise when Bane warded him off, then stepped back to regroup.

"You’re better than you were when we last fought," he said, clearly impressed and making no attempt to hide it.
"So are you," Bane responded.

Kas’im lunged in again, and the room was filled with the hiss and hum of lightsabers striking each other half a dozen times in the space of two heartbeats.

There were two exchanges, and Kas'im attacked again prior to Bane gathering the force/nexus. So now you're wrong on two counts