Darth Krayt vs Darth Bane (sabers only)

Originally posted by carthage
Wrong as always

He’d come in hard and fast, expecting to end their battle quickly. Now he had to reevaluate his strategy.

There were two exchanges, and Kas'im attacked again prior to Bane gathering the force/nexus. So now you're wrong on two counts

Unobservant as always.

"Kas'im lunged in again, and the room was filled with the hiss and hum of lightsabers striking each other half a dozen times in the space of two heartbeats. Bane would have been carved to ribbons had he tried to react to each move individually. Instead he simply called upon the Force, letting it flow through him and guide his hand. He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extension of the Force, and he responded to the Twilek's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense."

The part you'd highlighted was describing Bane's reactions to the second exchange. So there was only one exchange before that point.

Plus I thought you believed nexus amps to be automatic. So why would Bane not have access to it prior to anything? And Bane "gathering" the Force, was just him getting serious and fighting at his full power. It's no amp. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Unobservant as always.

"Kas'im lunged in again, and the room was filled with the hiss and hum of lightsabers striking each other half a dozen times in the space of two heartbeats. Bane would have been carved to ribbons had he tried to react to each move individually. Instead he simply called upon the Force, letting it flow through him and guide his hand. He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extension of the Force, and he responded to the Twilek's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense."

The part you'd highlighted was describing Bane's reactions to the second exchange. So there was only one exchange before that point.

Plus I thought you believed nexus amps to be automatic. So why would Bane not have access to it prior to anything? And Bane "gathering" the Force, was just him getting serious and fighting at his full power. It's no amp. 🙄

I guess you missed the part I had in bold where it says Kas'im had stopped to regroup:

Parrying the first sequence Bane realized his former Master had always been holding something in reserve . . . just as Bane himself had done in the early stages of his battle against Sirak. Only now was he seeing Kas’im’s true ability, and he was barely able to defend himself. Barely, but still able.
His opponent grunted in surprise when Bane warded him off, then stepped back to regroup

Now who is the one being unobservant. The second exchange began when he attacked Bane, and then forced Bane to draw on his own reserves on top of the nexus amp? I already said they were passively amped, he just drew on his own reserves on top of the temple amp he had and it overwhelmed Kas'im. Maybe you should go back to read prior posts.

Bane being amped is already common knowedgle. The combined nexus of the Temple of the Ancients, Lehon, AND the Star Forge is insane, and utterly minimize his temple feat.
That being said, everyone must remember Kas'im is getting the same amp Bane is getting, so it evens out in the long run. Though any attacks/powers either displays there shouldn't be considered much.

Bane had to draw on his own reserves on top of the nexus amp he got from the temple, which at that point Kas'im is screwed. You're exactly right about the planetary amp as well though, not to mention Revan as you showed had blown much of the temple up.

Originally posted by carthage
I guess you missed the part I had in bold where it says Kas'im had stopped to regroup, now who is the one being unobservant. The second exchange began when he attacked Bane, and then forced Bane to draw on his own reserves on top of the nexus amp? I already said they were passively amped, he just drew on his own reserves on top of the temple amp he had and it overwhelmed Kas'im. Maybe you should go back to read prior posts.

I... know. Kas'im attacks, stops to regroups and attacks again, and Bane drew completely on the darkside to respond to that. So before that point Kas'im had previously attacked him once. That's what happened.

And he's drawing on his full power, just like Kas'im is doing as well. Neither was holding back. That doesn't mean one was getting an unfair advantage other than Bane being more powerful. I don't know what the hell you mean by reserves.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I... know. Kas'im attacks, stops to regroups and attacks again, and Bane drew completely on the darkside to respond to that. So before that point Kas'im had previously attacked him once. That's what happened.

And he's drawing on his full power, just like Kas'im is doing as well. Neither was holding back. That doesn't mean one was getting an unfair advantage other than Bane being more powerful. I don't know what the hell you mean by reserves.

And what would make two-three exchanges lmao. You just said there was only one, the second one Bane had to draw on the force. Case closed Neph. I never said it was an unfair advantage, but the issue is if Bane is more skilled than Krayt which Bantha tried to use his duel with Kas'im as an example is false. Again Bane didn't outskill Kas'im (in that fight), nor does he outskill Krayt. So it was a shit example to use.

Again who has Bane beaten that is superior to Wyyrlok, Kenobi, or Cade?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bane being amped is already common knowedgle. The combined nexus of the Temple of the Ancients, Lehon, AND the Star Forge is insane, and utterly minimize his temple feat.
That being said, everyone must remember Kas'im is getting the same amp Bane is getting, so it evens out in the long run. Though any attacks/powers either displays there shouldn't be considered much.

You'll do anything just to make Neph lose won't you? 😂

No, Neph. That's not how the Force works. Carthage is right, actually. When you call upon the Force, you draw it in from the surroundings into yourself via the midichlorians.
The amount of Force energy you are able to call in depends on your unlocked midichlorian count. When you draw in energy from a nexus, it is more concentrated, so more comes in available.
Darth Bane drawing on the Force grants him significantly more energy then otherwise thanks to the condensed state of the Force. As obviously, involuntary amps are not as grand as voluntary amps.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

You'll do anything just to make Neph lose won't you? 😂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Unless you are playing, posts like these are specifically what I was referring to in the PM besides chatzys. 😐

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That was just a little friendly gif poking fun at the argument you and Carthage are both trying to make and your support of carthage.

The only thing funny was your concession to me in the B team thread lmao. Go away.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That was just a little friendly gif poking fun at the argument you and Carthage are both trying to make and your support of carthage.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That was just a little friendly gif poking fun at the argument you and Carthage are both trying to make and your support of carthage.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
experience oils

Originally posted by WildBantha88
hey baby. I want to slather your body in experience oils

I'm surprised you didn't misspell experience.

Originally posted by carthage
And what would make two-three exchanges lmao. You just said there was only one, the second one Bane had to draw on the force. Case closed Neph. I never said it was an unfair advantage, but the issue is if Bane is more skilled than Krayt which Bantha tried to use his duel with Kas'im as an example is false. Again Bane didn't outskill Kas'im (in that fight), nor does he outskill Krayt. So it was a shit example to use.

Again who has Bane beaten that is superior to Wyyrlok, Kenobi, or Cade?

No, I said there was only one before Bane drew on the force. Bane drew on the force to deal with the 2nd exchange, therefore there was only one before that.

The fight is still a great skill feat for Bane, since he knew everything Kas'im could throw at him (barring dual sabers obviously), which was all the forms and everything Kas'im knew about them, which was everything. And given that Kas'im earlier told Bane to focus on mastering his own skills before learning his opponents, Bane's grasp of own dueling skills is likely just as good as his grasp of Kas'ims.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, Neph. That's not how the Force works. Carthage is right, actually. When you call upon the Force, you draw it in from the surroundings into yourself via the midichlorians.
The amount of Force energy you are able to call in depends on your unlocked midichlorian count. When you draw in energy from a nexus, it is more concentrated, so more comes in available.
Darth Bane drawing on the Force grants him significantly more energy then otherwise thanks to the condensed state of the Force. As obviously, involuntary amps are not as grand as voluntary amps.

Carthage didn't even say that. ❌

Also it never actually says Bane was drawing on the nexus, lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Carthage didn't even say that. ❌

Originally posted by WildBantha88
hey baby. I want to slather your body in experience oils

Experience oils? well, Just wait till i get my Xbox One as well as Destiny and we'll be unstoppable my love, we'll be showering in XP all day, every day. <3

The fight is still a great skill feat for Bane, since he knew everything Kas'im could throw at him (barring dual sabers obviously), which was all the forms and everything Kas'im knew about them, which was everything. And given that Kas'im earlier told Bane to focus on mastering his own skills before learning his opponents, Bane's grasp of own dueling skills is likely just as good as his grasp of Kas'ims.

Again I never even highlighted his duel with Kas'im in my prior discussion with Bantha. I never considered it and still don't consider it an example of Bane outskilling Kas'im. He had to draw on the nexus to kill him/draw on the force to even hold his own, it would be different if he beat him outright in a contest of pure sabers. Kas'im likewise has beaten no one, whereas, Cade has beaten Nihl, Talon, fought evenly with Antares Draco, and Krayt dominated him in a duel/killed Wyyrlok/blitzed knights . Bane has no comparable saber feats to Krayt.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Carthage said Bane was amped by voluntary drawing on the nexus, he was correct.
I don't know or care about what else he said, but that particular point is correct according to canon.

But he didn't though. Letting the Force flow through him isn't the same as drawing on the nexus.