Bane isn't calling on additional energy though. He's just letting the force flow through him, like all Jedi and Sith do. You know, to use the force, you kind of draw on the force? He's not amping himself at all. 🙄
I'm not discussing you on that. You're going on about the difference between involuntary amps and voluntary amps when this example of yours would clearly be Bane being amped involuntarily.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane isn't calling on additional energy though. He's just letting the force flow through him, like all Jedi and Sith do. He's not amping himself at all. 🙄
In Dark Rendezvous on Vjun both Padwans Scout and Whie confirm Vjun is a nexus:
It was all Scout could do to pick her way through these sinister caverns,-Dark Rendezvous
eyes aching with the effort of peering into the gloom. She had already
scraped her shins badly, twice, in the first dash into the cave system.
Whie, on the other hand, was moving as if it were broad daylight. His eyes
were bright, almost manic.
"The Force is strong here," he said, and he laughed with the pleasure of it.
He was right about the Force. Even Scout could feel it: a nervous prickle
running deep inside her, as if the world were full of magnets and she could
feel them tugging on the iron in her blood. Whie found it exhilarating. Scout
thought it was creepy. There was something edgy about the Force here: a
sharp, unbalanced feeling, as different from the gentle glow of the Jedi
Temple as the damp, acid wind of Vjun was from the air back home.
Late Whie confirms that due to the energies of the Vjun nexus he could lift a skeleton which he would have to struggle with off nexus:
Scout screamed and smacked her arm down on the limestone. The bones
snapped and splintered. The floating skeleton-no bigger than a child-held
its hand, now missing its fingers, up in front of its empty eye sockets.
"Whoa. Now I'm stumped," he squeaked in his little-boy voice.
A second skeleton, this one the size of a grown man, came bobbing
through the air to join the first.
"Careful there, junior," Whie said in an ugly parody of a mother's voice.
"This one's feisty."
Scout's heart hammered in her chest.
"Whie. Stop it."
"Just having a little fun," Whie said, appearing. "Scout, it's incredible.
There's something about this place-can't you feel it? I've never felt the
Force so strongly. Normally I would have to concentrate just to hold all
these bones in the air, but here..."
He hummed, waving his lightsaber like a conductor's baton. The two
skeletons joined hands and began to dance.
"Put the bones down," Scout said, doing her best to keep her voice steady.
"Why? The original owners aren't using them."
Scout is weak in the force, but even she feels empowered when confirming the nexus here:
"It frightens me," Scout said. "The Force is very strong here. If even I can
feel that, I can only imagine what it must be like for you. I don't think it's a
good idea for us to use it unless we absolutely have to.
Whie didn't have to "Draw on any nexus" in order to feel empowered on Vjun, nowhere is it stated he had to "Draw on anything" in order to perform a task he would ordinarily struggle to do. The fact is you don't have to "actively" draw on anything in order to receive an amplification in your ability/power in the force. Case closed Neph.
Oh, and note that the difference between involuntary and voluntary amps is this:
Involuntary amp: Constant, steady supply of Force energy that you do not control.
Voluntary amp: Calling upon as much Force energy that can come into you as possible.
In either scenario (Bane is doing the second here), you get amplified energy regardless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane isn't calling on additional energy though. He's just letting the force flow through him, like all Jedi and Sith do. You know, to use the force, you kind of draw on the force? He's not amping himself at all. 🙄I'm not discussing you on that. You're going on about the difference between involuntary amps and voluntary amps when this example of yours would clearly be Bane being amped involuntarily.
And Whie was just using the force ordinarily when he lifted a skeleton, the nexus aided him in lifting in when he plainly stated it would be harder for him perform off of Vjun. Nowhere did it state he was "Drawing on a nexus", he just did it and the nexus aided him as confirmed by himself 👆
Lehon, Dxun, Korriban, and Tython are all more powerful than Vjun; for everyone of Bane's feats he would've been amped regardless and to much higher degrees than a simple Padawan like Whie.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ah okay, I see where your confused at. Then again, I explained this a million times, but I see like I need to do it again.
Bane is calling upon the Force. Where do you get the Force? The area around you. Bane calls that in for power and strength.
The Force he calls in is concentrated. He doesn't make it concentrated, it already is. All the energy on the planet is concentrated.
The only way to not call upon concentrated energy is to cut yourself off from the Force. I feel you are thinking of a different, inaccurate possibility.
Bane doesn't first call upon the Force, then the extra energy. The Force is rather condensed together so extra energy is allowed to fit in per the area.
An example would be eating five cotton balls that is stuffed together to match the size of one cotton ball rather then just eating the one cotton ball. 🙂
I'm not the one who's confused. I've kept up with your argument the whole time, it's hardly something I haven't seen before. You've been the one misinterpreting my posts and failing to keep up. Which has made your incredibly condescending tone very ironic.
If this is what you call "voluntary", then what did you mean by an involuntary amp? Because this all still seems very involuntary to me. Bane isn't making the choice to amp himself, it's happening without his choice.
Edit: Nevermind, I can see that your definitions are just stupid.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Oh, and note that the difference between involuntary and voluntary amps is this:
Involuntary amp: Constant, steady supply of Force energy that you do not control.
Voluntary amp: Calling upon as much Force energy that can come into you as possible.
In either scenario (Bane is doing the second here), you get amplified energy regardless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not the one who's confused. I've kept up with your argument the whole time, it's hardly something I haven't seen before. You've been the one misinterpreting my posts and failing to keep up. Which has made your incredibly condescending tone very ironic.If this is what you call "voluntary", then what did you mean by an involuntary amp? Because this all still seems very involuntary to me. Bane isn't making the choice to amp himself, it's happening without his choice.
Edit: Nevermind, I can see that your definitions are just stupid.
Lmfao I just posted an example in Dark Rendezvous where Whie didn't have to draw on an amp and he felt empowered by the nexus. Even another barely force sensitive padwan like Scout felt empowered and stronger. Karpashyn sucks at writing and doesn't know the definition of a force nexus, which was the standard is still is all of what Ant said. You don't have to consciously draw on it, Bane was amped and when he destroyed Kas'im just drew more force energy from himself and received an additional boost.
@ Nephthys. I am disappointed you cannot grasp such an easy part of Star Wars lore. I recommend you begin to accept canon to become a better debater.
If you have done more extensive study on how Force Energy and nexus' work, and have formed a theory different from canon evidence, please let me know.
How do you consider voluntary vs involuntary? Note that my involuntary definition is canonical. My voluntary definition is based off of information presented.
Originally posted by ILS
This thread was everything I knew it would become.
Which is hilarious because I provided evidence for the fact that Whie didn't have to "Draw" into the nexus and even admitted that it enabled him to perform the feat of lifting a skeleton (which he would've struggled to do) off of Vjun.
Neph just wants to downplay, ignore, and willingly disavow that Bane's feats on darkside worlds weren't by his own power
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Read the fight again, Bane was getting slashed all over the place. He had orbalisk to protect him. Bane honestly has no dueling feats that matter that aren't against Zannah or Kas'im, both of which Krayt is over.
This man speaks to the heart of the matter, you would all do well to listen to him.