Ya know, because of the power increase Frieza got in all his forms through training, it would've been nice to see his intermediate forms again too before he went to his final form and then golden. I know it kinda would've been filler for the movie in the grand scheme of things, but I would've loved to see his xenomorph esque form kick some ass again against the other current Z fighters, though maybe it's just me.
I would have liked it to go down something like this:
Frieza comes to Earth and his minions are defeated so he steps into the fray.
1st Form- Completely wipes out all of the lesser Z Fighters(Krillin, Tien, 18, Goten and Trunks) until Piccolo comes around and makes him up his game.
2nd Form- Runs thru Piccolo and Gohan since Gohan is sooooo freaking WEAK NOW!!!!! Finally he sets his sights on Mr. Satan but Buu will have none of that and proceeds to pound Frieza's face off.
3rd Form- After realizing this is the beast his father warned him about he transforms again and is able to fight evenly with Buu. He even starts to override his healing factor. As Buu seems to be losing the boys step back in and fuse but even they aren't enough. Frieza begins to overpower Gotenks. Can no one stop the mighty Frieza?
4th Form- Bam, Vegeta arrives to save the day. He mocks Frieza and tells him that Saiyans are the superior race and goads him into using his final form. After a good fight they seem completely even. That is until Frieza drops the bomb. He's been holding back this entire time!
Golden Form- This is where we see Frieza's true power. He destroys Vegeta easily. Like Easy Easy. That's when Goku arrives and the main event begins.
Great thoughts, but that's probably just too much filler for a single movie.
We were shown how much Freeza's 1st form had improved when he almost killed base Gohan with one casual strike, before any of the Z Fighters could react. Granted, Gohan has become much weaker(relative to the Buu saga), but his base PL is logically still in the high tens of millions, at the very least... Which shows you how much Freeza has improved, when his 1st form's PL used to be a scant 530k.
Anyway, when Goku arrived, Freeza didn't waste time with his lesser transformations because he knew that Goku already possessed a minimum of Buu-level+ power, so he powered up to his 4th form immediately. When that wasn't enough, he unleashed his full power/Golden form.
Originally posted by Galan007Really? i didn't realize he was that powerful.
We were shown how much Freeza's 1st form had improved when he almost killed base Gohan with one casual strike, before any of the Z Fighters could react. Granted, Gohan has become much weaker(relative to the Buu saga), but his base PL is logically still in the high tens of millions, at the very least... Which shows you how much Freeza has improved, when his 1st form's PL used to be a scant 530k.
Originally posted by john allerdyceReally.
Really? i didn't realize he was that powerful.
Even Piccolo stated that 1st form Freeza's power is now on a completely different level than their own(ie. 1st form Freeza>>ALL Z Fighters, sans Goku/Vegeta.)
And since Piccolo(pre-RoSaT) was on par with #17 during the Cell saga, it's logical to assume that 1st form Freeza is around the level of Semi-Perfect Cell, at the very least... Arguably much greater if we assume Piccolo's blanket statement included SSJ Gohan as well.
The more I think about it, the more disappinting this movie seems..
Take Bills. He made such a big deal about facing someone close to his level. He was so happy to find the Super Saiyon God, that he even spared his planet against their deal.
And then he sees Freeza, who attains an even higher power level then Goku did, and he did it all by himself without any help from anybody. Bills should have been a lot more surprised, impressed, or interested then he acted.
And like I said already, Vegeta was totally out of character beating on a defeated opponent, considering how he insisted fighting Cell at his best. Sure, Freeza used low tactics on Goku, so maybe he figured he didn't deserve a fair fight..
Then there's the question of, why even bother? Freeza beating Goku, and Bills stopping him from killing him or something, then letting Freeza go to rebuild his empire would have been interesting. Or maybe doing a story where Freeza reforms enough to only care about beating Goku in a fair fight.. Say, give a speech about how he lost everything, but his only interest was beating Goku for his own pride. And watch Vegeta suddenly gain respect and empathy for him. 🙂 (After all, Vegeta's a former mass murderer and villain, and he never "really" seemed to give a crap about his own people or planet.)
I dunno, there's so many ways Toriyamw could have gone with this. Felt like a waste, imo.
Beerus not being more interested in Freeza's prowess is very odd, given what we saw.
The guy doesn't train a day in his life, and he was still THE most powerful being in the universe(sans Gods/Kaioshin) by a HUGE margin--hell, his next closest rival was Ginyu, with a PL of 120,000. He was only surpassed when Goku finally became a SSJ--and by that time he'd already subjugated countless worlds, and formed a massive empire. Then, with a scant 4 months of training, Freeza unlocks power far beyond what any Saiyan was capable of reaching unaided... A power that was initially beyond even BSSJG Goku(ergo the RoF promo-material stating that this was a battle "surpassing Gods."😉
So yeah, Freeza is the real prodigy in the DBZ-verse... Goku/Vegeta are feebs compared to him, tbh. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007So if you had to get specific where exactly would you rank each of freiza's different forms now?
Really.Even Piccolo stated that 1st form Freeza's power is now on a completely different level than their own(ie. 1st form Freeza>>ALL Z Fighters, sans Goku/Vegeta.)
And since Piccolo(pre-RoSaT) was on par with #17 during the Cell saga, it's logical to assume that 1st form Freeza is around the level of Semi-Perfect Cell, at the very least... Arguably much greater if we assume Piccolo's blanket statement included SSJ Gohan as well.
Originally posted by john allerdycemmm This same question was posed on another site not long ago. Anyway, this may not be a popular opinion, but...
So if you had to get specific where exactly would you rank each of freiza's different forms now?
Not only was 1st form Freeza powerful enough to damn near kill base Gohan with one casual strike, but his power was enough to leave Piccolo and the rest of the Z fighters completely awestruck/dumbfounded. This implies that Freeza was already in the upper-echelon of ki that they'd ever sensed. Frankly, if he wasn't around Super Buu-level at that point, I'd be surprised. His 4th form's power was enough to shock everyone on the field(inc. Goku and Vegeta), and contend decently against base Goku, who isn't all that far below SSJG Goku from BoG. IOW, 4th form Freeza is likely superior to anyone/thing in pre-BoG continuity.
As for specifically quantifying his individual forms:
-We know that Freeza's 2nd form is basically 2x> his 1st form. So IF 1st form Freeza were ~ Super Buu, then his 2nd form would be slightly more powerful than Mystic Gohan(who was a little less than twice as powerful as Super Buu.)
-Given the above, his 3rd/Xeno form would likely fall somewhere around Buuhan-level.
-Even if you lowball his 4th form, it was still upwards of 40x> his 3rd form... Which means 4th form Freeza would be more than 40x> Buuhan(which should put him well above the likes of Vegetto, btw.)
OR we can simply say that 4th form Freeza was 226x> Super Buu(that is the difference in power between his 1st and 4th forms.) Whichever you prefer. 🙂
*This is obviously assuming the power increases he gains with each transformation are still proportionally the same as they were on Namek.
As for Freeza's 5th/Golden form: it was probably around 2x> his 4th form, if we use the numerical 'God Chart' that Toriyama assigned for Whis/Beerus/Goku.