Darth Talon vs Kas'im

Started by WildBantha8811 pages

I dont think Carthage is willing to admit that Bane isn't just a trainee 😬 😬

Pffft, typical carthage. I don't care about your dumb challenge. And I don't go by wank, you go by lowball. It's not hot air that Kas'im really did master every aspect of lightsaber combat (and he specifically proves that his skills in actual combat were still excellent at one point, so don't go on about him lacking real combat skill, lol), that he really did have a good enough grasp of them to invent thousands of sequences based on them and he clearly was a warrior above all other Sith of his time.

Lmao. They have legs: check. Wow, they are similar. No, carthage. Theres no point continuing this.

All this just to say Kas'im has no dueling feats to place him over Talon? How is it lowballing to say that Kas'im has beaten no one on par with Vao or Sazen? You literally bring up Kas'im's "lightsaber mastery" every time, that doesn't make him a better duelist it just means he knows more forms. You literally fail miserably every time at making that distinction, whether willingly or unwillingly it doesn't really matter. It's not lowballing to state Kas'im has no showings as a duelist to compare, it's a statement of fact which seems lost on everyone but you and DMB.

that he really did have a good enough grasp of them to invent thousands of sequences based on them

Didn't you just state he couldn't do the same in combat against Bane in spite of his supposedly 00BER technical master. LMFAO. Talk about willful ignorance

take Bane out through skill, suggesting he should have invented a new ****ing form on the fly while in a lightsaber fight.

facepalm2

Originally posted by carthage
How do you know he can even replicate combat speed like that at any point? What makes him faster than Talon moving in a blur? Where Kas'im trained Bane was specifically mentioned by Qoordis to focus darkside energies, and Lehon where he fought Bane was a potent darkside nexus. You can't ignore any of that.

Yet, the Jedi temple is said to be a powerful nexus as well, Yoda and Mace must have gotten big amps when dealing with Sidious, Dantooine is supposedly a light side Nexus, so i guess all of Mace's feat on there are all Nexus feats. If we apply that logic to bane, then we should apply it to everyone as well, Kolar, tiin and Fisto were on corousant, so they had to be amped, yet they lost to Sidious? what plebs!!

That was sarcasm btw.
Nothing says that Bane was drawing on a Nexus, nor does it state anything for Kas'im doing the same thing and if that were the case - that's a big "if", they would both be equally amplified by the nexus' "supposed" energies

#Getwrecked

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's not what I was referring to, Kitty.

Then be clear on what you think my "alleged" double-standards are.

That was sarcasm btw.
Nothing says that Bane was drawing on a Nexus, nor does it state anything for Kas'im doing the same thing and if that were the case - that's a big "if", they would both be equally amplified by the nexus' "supposed" energies

#Getwrecked

You don't need to draw on a nexus to get amped, just look at at Whie's example on Vjun in Dark Rendezvous . He never "drew" on it and even admitted if it wasn't for the nexus on Vjun he couldn't manipulate a skeleton as easily

Scout screamed and smacked her arm down on the limestone. The bones
snapped and splintered. The floating skeleton-no bigger than a child-held
its hand, now missing its fingers, up in front of its empty eye sockets.
"Whoa. Now I'm stumped," he squeaked in his little-boy voice.
A second skeleton, this one the size of a grown man, came bobbing
through the air to join the first.
"Careful there, junior," Whie said in an ugly parody of a mother's voice.
"This one's feisty."
Scout's heart hammered in her chest.
"Whie. Stop it."
"Just having a little fun," Whie said, appearing. "Scout, it's incredible.
There's something about this place-can't you feel it? I've never felt the
Force so strongly. Normally I would have to concentrate just to hold all
these bones in the air, but here..."

He hummed, waving his lightsaber like a conductor's baton. The two
skeletons joined hands and began to dance.
"Put the bones down," Scout said, doing her best to keep her voice steady.
"Why? The original owners aren't using them."
-Dark Rendezvous

It's not an "if" Kas'im and Bane were amped, and Kas'im's speed on Lehon is not something he can replicate at any point offworld.

#getcorrected

Also with regards to the Jedi temple, is there even such a thing as a lightsided nexus? I always thought of it as being a neutral one, no matter really.

Nothing in that quote implies Whie wasn't drawing on the nexus on purpose.

There is nothing say he was drawing on it at all, just that he was amped in the presence regardless lol.

Even Scout who was weak in the force was made stronger there.

The notion that you have to "Draw on it" is nonsense you use to cling desperately to the notion Bane wasn't amped for his Nexus temple feat/all of his feats in general on nexuses

If they have midichlorians, they are getting amped by the concentrated energies.

Spoiler:
They have midichlorians, and hence were amped. 😐

Originally posted by carthage
There is nothing say he was drawing on it at all, just that he was amped in the presence regardless lol.

Hence why it's a pointless example to bring up. It doesn't indicate anything one way or the other.

Originally posted by Nephthys

He even said he would have to concentrate harder to do it off world, indicating that without the amp it would be harder. He was amped regardless, and no there is no evidence he had to "Draw on the power" at all. He even credits his ability to lift them due to being on the nexus. You have no case

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If they have midichlorians, they are getting amped by the concentrated energies.
Spoiler:
They have midichlorians, and hence were amped. 😐

Would that mean that Revan was drawing on the power of the SF, the dark energies of Lehon, the dark power of Korriban and the energies of Dromund Kass? If they all have Midi-chlorians and they are in a place of concentrated energy, then everyone would be amped by Nexus'

Another one:

"This planet is a Dark Side conduit. A call on the Force brings forth an exponential flood!"

-Darth Sidious, on Byss

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Would that mean that Revan was drawing on the power of the SF, the dark energies of Lehon, the dark power of Korriban and the energies of Dromund Kass? If they all have Midi-chlorians and they are in a place of concentrated energy, then everyone would be amped by Nexus'

Your proving my argument without knowing it. Rather instead here, Revan would be hindered by Darkside energies since he calls on the Lightside of the Force.

He calls on both.

Not in KotOR (now with the new expansion). 😉

Revan is a joke tbh. "He calls on the dark side now, now he calls on the light, now he calls on both, now he rides unicorns and farts rainbows." They keep dicking with his character because he is a money maker but in doing so they have ruined him

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Revan is a joke tbh. "He calls on the dark side now, now he calls on the light, now he calls on both, now he rides unicorns and farts rainbows." They keep dicking with his character because he is a money maker but in doing so they have ruined him

Yeah, pretty much all of this

Originally posted by Nephthys
He calls on both.

👆
and this.

I accept your concession. 😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I accept your concession. 😉

🙄 I concede nothing. plus, even if i did believe the"he was LS" point you made, there is also Dromund Kass 😬

Two ways we can continue this:
1.) We can have a debate on KotOR Revan and what energies he drew off of. You will lose the debate and time.
2.) You concede on what energies we drew on, and I will make a statement covering Revan in Kaas City.