Superman VS Thor: STRENGTH RANKING

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Ok, so you completely ignore atom's statements who's exactly the only one who'd know what's going on since it is his specialization.

That's just before the scans Abhi posted, during Atom's first analysis on the gravitational field and the black hole inside.

Later on Atom states that if the field is removed the solar system would be f*cked.

I guess the gravitational field wasn't solar-system level, even if 'The gravitational forces in there are off the scales! [B]We're talking the extreme limits of physics' according to one of the greatest scientist on DC earth. 😂

That's literally one page before Atom found out Mnemon was actually intelligent and could talk. So when he mentioned the solar-busting power he was talking about the black hole's sheer power.

It's obvious you like to talk shit without citing important parts of the plot so Carv could cheerlead you. I couldn't care less about your "insults" so do yourself a favour and learn to debate without downplaying desperately the other part 😆 [/B]

Thanks for the insight. 👆

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Writes intent it's obvious for anyone who reads the comic without any bias 🙂

Tell me why did the writer put so much emphasis in how much force the heroes had to put in order to lift it? You have less proof than I do so concede, it's easier than proove something you obviously can't 😂

That is your own personal interpretation. You don't speak for the writer and are so worked up have resorted to lying for the writer.

It was never mentioned as being attributed with infinite weight. Concession. accepted.

Ps. When you make a claim the onus is on you to prove it.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Ok, so you completely ignore atom's statements who's exactly the only one who'd know what's going on since it is his specialization.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah232/Reflassshh/JLA07710_zps2a4eb7c8.jpg~original

That's just before the scans Abhi posted, during Atom's first analysis on the gravitational field and the black hole inside.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Later on Atom states that if the field is removed the solar system would be f*cked.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
I guess the gravitational field wasn't solar-system level, even if 'The gravitational forces in there are off the scales! [B]We're talking the extreme limits of physics' according to one of the greatest scientist on DC earth. 😂

That's literally one page before Atom found out Mnemon was actually intelligent and could talk. So when he mentioned the solar-busting power he was talking about the black hole's sheer power.[/b]

The only sheer power that Mnemon had was his black hole core. Which was only ever released once. Whenit blew up inside the wormhole. Which, beforehand, was contained by a rather unextraordinary magnetic field. Rather unextraordinary, because it was nearly replicated with copious amounts of static electricity.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
It's obvious you like to talk shit without citing important parts of the plot so Carv could cheerlead you. I couldn't care less about your "insults" so do yourself a favour and learn to debate without downplaying desperately the other part 😆

Good job.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is your own personal interpretation. You don't speak for the writer and are so worked up have resorted to lying for the writer.

It was never mentioned as being attributed with infinite weight. Concession. accepted.

Ps. When you make a claim the onus is on you to prove it.

You felt confident enough to reply me, It should be easy to prove me wrong without theories and fan fics but with on panel proof. Which you didn't 😂, nice try though.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
You can't prove me wrong? seem's the concession is on the way, I accept it bro.

You felt confident enough to reply me, It should be easy to prove me wrong without theories and fan fics but with on panel proof. Which you didn't 😂, nice try though.

Onus is on you. You failed.

🙂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Thanks for the insight. 👆

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Ok, so you completely ignore atom's statements who's exactly the only one who'd know what's going on since it is his specialization.

That's just before the scans Abhi posted, during Atom's first analysis on the gravitational field and the black hole inside.

Later on Atom states that if the field is removed the solar system would be f*cked.

I guess the gravitational field wasn't solar-system level, even if 'The gravitational forces in there are off the scales! [B]We're talking the extreme limits of physics' according to one of the greatest scientist on DC earth. 😂

That's literally one page before Atom found out Mnemon was actually intelligent and could talk. So when he mentioned the solar-busting power he was talking about the black hole's sheer power.

It's obvious you like to talk shit without citing important parts of the plot so Carv could cheerlead you. I couldn't care less about your "insults" so do yourself a favour and learn to debate without downplaying desperately the other part 😆 [/B]

👆 Nice.

So in order for Superman to have solar system-level strength for containing Mnemon, we have to do several things:

1) completely ignore that the magnetic field did not fully release;
2) or just assume the black hole core would instantly bust a solar system when the magnetic field even partially released,
3) which would mean you would have to ignore that Batman survived the singularity warping when it had started to release making him solar system level;
4) whilst just assume that Atom was solar system-level as well,
5) whilst assuming that Superman's static field was also solar system level;
6) ignore that Mnemon, the size of a toaster, wasn't even destroyed when his singularity core released;
7) or just assume Mnemon's casing itself was solar system level in durability since it was floating around in the last panel of the comic.

God forbid, we can't just read the comic and note that Superman bolstered the rather unextraordinary magnetic field with his strength before bolstering it with static electricity before it fully released a singularity that could potentially endanger a solar system.

But, hey. Whatever you have to do to make Superman's feat as amazing as possible, you go ahead and you do. Because we butcher plot, context and plain reading comprehension for feat-hunting. This is how you expect everyone else to read comics.

That I have to deconstruct and dissect the complete mockery of this feat is insulting. To yourselves.

So, everyone here think Superman is stronger? Yes? Good.

^ That anybody can so wistfully dismiss such a rabidly, pathetic, butchering of comics reading only shows how far gone and habitual this behavior is.

You do this on a sports forum, during a school discussion, anywhere else and you'd get thrown the phuck out. Rightfully so.

This ham-fisted sh1t and the casual apathy thereafter doesn't help whatever constructive discussion we'd like to get back to.

So, no. Not good.

Aside from that feat, the strength department is close. But i'd still give Superman the small edge.

Ouch.

Did anyone ever explain how Atom survived being inside the magnetic field if the black hole was solar system busting levels?

Originally posted by ODG
Thanks for obnoxiously breaking the page. And considering abhilegend completely butchered the first three pages of the comic, I don't understand what piece of his post you could possibly be invoking. True, if the containment field completely eroded, the solar system was potentially in danger. But Superman grabbed the Mnemon before it fully released. That's from the comic. Which you like to ignore and only wish to cherry-pick statements instead of appreciating the full context of the comic. Let's see what else you leave out. Good job trying to suggest that Atom is now solar system-level. Think before you try to make completely boneheaded connections.

The only sheer power that Mnemon had was his black hole core. Which was only ever released once. Whenit blew up inside the wormhole. Which, beforehand, was contained by a rather unextraordinary magnetic field. Rather unextraordinary, because it was nearly replicated with copious amounts of static electricity. Sorry you can't read the comic for yourself, can do nothing but make laughably tenuous leaps of logic, fail to note that static electricity contained Mnemon, Atom survived this so-caled solar system-level gravity strain, and fail to even note that when Mnemon did blow up, he didn't even destroy himself.

Good job.

Nearly replicated 😂, Superman AND John, two legit high heralds only bought themselves a second or two with that maneuver. That's without even considering how fast superman threw it, but let's not get into that.

I never said Superman grabbed a fully released black hole, learn to read please. Clark only "patched" up what was broken in the magnetic field with his hands, with mnemon pulling from inside out conciously.

Why would atom have to have solar-system level durability? He was inside the device, not inside the gravitational field. Again, learn to read.

It exploded and sealed itself inside the worm-hole, it doesn't disprove former statements.

Only thing you do is ignore the comic and give a poor interpretation of how you think the events took place, without taking into account dialogue and narration.

Originally posted by carver9
Did anyone ever explain how Atom survived being inside the magnetic field if the black hole was solar system busting levels?

That was until superman broke the device though.

Originally posted by carver9
Did anyone ever explain how Atom survived being inside the magnetic field if the black hole was solar system busting levels?

Originally posted by carver9
Did anyone ever explain how Atom survived being inside the magnetic field if the black hole was solar system busting levels?

What I wonder that nobody else points out is that after Superman grabbed Mnemon initially, John Stewart is reinforcing Superman with his GL ring the rest of the time, making it a shared feat.

Which if people are only paying attention to that moment where Superman alone was holding onto Mnemon as "the feat," whatever power that partially released black hole was exhibiting was enough to warp that room and Batman. So, no, not solar system-level.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
I could only facepalm at your post. Honest.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Nearly replicated 😂, Superman AND John, two legit high heralds only bought themselves a second or two with that maneuver. That's without even considering how fast superman threw it, but let's not get into that.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
I never said Superman grabbed a fully released black hole, learn to read please. Clark only "patched" up what was broken in the magnetic field with his hands

Yeah, you were.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That along with the fact Superman needed a pal to lift the heavy book that Ultraman did on his own. Man up, Superman.
🙂

SHUT YOUR FOOL MOUTH!

I see you taking flight from KMC again before the year is out!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]SHUT YOUR FOOL MOUTH!

I see you taking flight from KMC again before the year is out! [/B]

Originally posted by ODG
Atom was never inside the magnetic field. I only dismissed the tenuous reliance on Atom's statements about his personal experience with the gravity by pointing out the obvious, Atom himself isn't solar system level.

What I wonder that nobody else points out is that after Superman grabbed Mnemon initially, John Stewart is reinforcing Superman with his GL ring the rest of the time, making it a shared feat.

Which if people are only paying attention to that moment where Superman alone was holding onto Mnemon as "the feat," whatever power that partially released black hole was exhibiting was enough to warp that room and Batman. So, no, not solar system-level. It's my experience that when you're thoroughly deconstructed you typically can do nothing but offer stupified silence, unextraordinary statements of fact and backhanded concessions. The honesty is unnecessary, as this was predictible. Who cares how fast Superman threw it? Mnemon was the size of a toaster. Then thanks for wasting everyone's time trying to project solar system level strength onto the magnetic field or Superman. Nobody noticed that our discussion from the very start was my casting doubt on that very notion and you kept trying to oppose me with limp negative proof fallacies. Haven't seen this quaneuver before, "Whatever! I was never trying to suggest otherwise!"

Yeah, you were.

If the gravitational field wasn't removed why would they have had to restrain it with that thing they did?

Clark didn't grab a fully released black hole though, but it's obvious that the pressure was increasing and that the MF was almost/gone. That's why they had to do that maneuver. Damn impressive even for a shared feat.

At this point you're trying to dismiss everything that's written in the book and claiming your word as law. That's a proper way to debate, isn't it?