Superman VS Thor: STRENGTH RANKING

Originally posted by h1a8
you shouldn't be participating in this discussion since you know next to nothing about black holes.

ALL BLACK HOLES are singularities. That means they are so small that they are smaller than a speck of dust. No black hole is large. The masses of black holes vary, but not their size. Super massive black holes have millions of solar masses but are atom sizes or less.

Also, no matter the mass, the force is infinite at the singularity.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Everything H1 just said is not backed by fact

Also your Sig shows you lack of understanding of the boards rules.

My sig is something I didn't create. The sig isn't about how to debate but about knowing if people are debating on bias. Notice, I never argue that point at all in a real debate.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
^Sounds fishy.. Where are u getting this from?

Make no mistake, I would never use such a feat for Superman to argue his strength. The feat is stupid in my opinion. Nothing in the universe has any business withstanding an actual singularity.

Originally posted by h1a8
How so? Prove it.

My sig is something I didn't create. The sig isn't about how to debate but about knowing if people are debating on bias. Notice, I never argue that point at all in a real debate.

Now unless we are in a black hole right now, your infinite talk is BS.
Your Welcome.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
ok easily.
Infinite Energy (ie Gravitational pull) doesn't degrade over distance.

Now unless we are in a black hole right now, your infinite talk is BS.
Your Welcome.

I said AT the singularity, not close to it. No matter how close you are the force isn't infinite. The force is only infinite once you touch it. So there is a separation here. Let's assume, infinity is bs. The force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance an object is away. F=k/r^2. What do you think will happen to the force as r, the distance from, goes to 0? We would get a shit large huge number for a very tiny r.

Sure, but your missing the point.

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in a singularity, the quantities we use to measure gravity become 'infinite'. while it's true that some black holes are more massive than others (created by larger stars for example) and there is even some support for the fact that one singularity may be bigger than another, there is absolutely NO evidence that the 'infinite gravity' of a super massive black hole is greater than the 'infinite gravity' of a black hole formed by a lesser stellar mass..... infinite is infinite and it's really that simple. the singularity would be infinitely smaller than the speck of dust, the event horizon was what was being shown, but it would have every bit the 'power' of a black hole with a massive event horizon.

and the only thing laughable is anyone who tries to pretend they know what they are talking about when all they are really doing is hating. again. 😂

The event horizon (i.e., boundary of no return) was incredibly tiny, only the gravity well was really shown, which was barely large enough to warp a room with Batman in it.

The actual event horizon was so small that Superman was able to cup his hand around it, preventing any matter from being sucked into the singularity to grow it's mass. This prevented the event horizon from growing larger since the size of the event horizon of a black hole is proportional to it's mass.

That black hole did NOT have stellar mass. The size of the event horizon for a black hole with stellar mass is 30 kilometers... The fact that Batman and the other heroes weren't instantly sucked in suggests the event horizon was tiny, and the warping of the room was from the gravity well.

sure the event horizon was small--that's already been said several times. but that does not change the fact that the singularity was still an 'infinite source of gravity' regardless of its size.

since the singularity was synthetic, we have no real idea how that played into things but clearly it wasn't stellar in terms of mass. through comicbook science the event horizon was kept from growing, but we saw clearly that it WANTED to grow and given a chance it started to do just that. dilation (if you believe some theories) occurs as you approach the event horizon, which explains the 'warping' effect we saw.

of course rl science rarely works in comics, but it does make sense--barring the magnetic field containing the singularity and the event horizon i suppose.....

Originally posted by leonidas
sure the event horizon was small--that's already been said several times. but that does not change the fact that the singularity was still an 'infinite source of gravity' regardless of its size.

since the singularity was synthetic, we have no real idea how that played into things but clearly it wasn't stellar in terms of mass. through comicbook science the event horizon was kept from growing, but we saw clearly that it WANTED to grow and given a chance it started to do just that. dilation (if you believe some theories) occurs as you approach the event horizon, which explains the 'warping' effect we saw.

of course rl science rarely works in comics, but it does make sense--barring the magnetic field containing the singularity and the event horizon i suppose.....

I think most people realize the black hole didn't start at "solar system busting" levels, rather Superman with help from others stopped it from growing to those levels.

i would hope so.....

Originally posted by h1a8
All black holes are smaller than crumbs. Also, you are confusing a neutron star with a black hole. It takes about 10 solar masses to form a natural black hole.
Synthetic or not, the writer's intent was that it was equivalent to a real black hole, the same as comic bullets are the same as real bullets. Lol, at you using Leo's point as your own.

Anyway, my argument was that size or mass is irrelevant since the force is infinite at the singularity. So why correct irrelevant things?

We went over this feat years ago and it's tiring that it's still being talked about today.

Originally posted by h1a8
you shouldn't be participating in this discussion since you know next to nothing about black holes.

Originally posted by ODG
Boldly lying about the course of this conversation isn't going to improve your position, son. Begging already-answered questions won't either. The magnetic field was eroding due to Mnemon's efforts. Superman had to bolster it before it fully released. As was pointed out about two dozen times throughout this thread by half a dozen posters. From the comic itself.
Impressive. Not a solar system level feat for Superman. Not when static electricity and a Green Lantern play their part. Considering we now both agree Superman didn't exhibit solar system level strength, your accusations of my dismissiveness are rather pointless. That you want to ignore that I've provided multiple facts that were glossed over that provide fuller context to the feat in question, is your prerogative.

Let's not pretend this was ever a debate. It's the same old tired cycle of mythcrafting, followed by mythbusting, followed by the limp recriminations that the mythbusters are only haters because they dared to read the comic plainly. I.e., another Superman thread.

The black-hole was almost released. i.e why they had to support the magnetic field.

Through your 'well thought argument' you ignored everything the comic said in regards to the black-hole power, but right, **** atom and the man writing the comic. You know more.

The pedantic bs you're using to distract from the logic leaps in your theory are getting old, so try to not do that again as it's becoming more evident.

You haven't provide anything but your own interpretation which isn't accurated with what we see in the comic. When you've been proven wrong you just act as it didn't happen and won't talk about that point anymore.

My point stills, Superman supported a BROKEN gravitational field which was stated by Atom to have "Gravitational forces off the scales in there, on the extreme limits of physics" with a black-hole inside that was stated to be able to destroy the solar system if free. But obviously you know more about that than atom and the writer.

Cut with the Mythbusting crap Lying, omitting argument, dialogue, statements and fan-ficting your way out of a debate isn't how you prove someone wrong.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think most people realize the black hole didn't start at "solar system busting" levels, rather Superman with help from others stopped it from growing to those levels.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
The fact stills. I dare you to show me where I've said Superman in this thread displayed solar-level strenght in that ft.

The black-hole was almost released. i.e why they had to support the magnetic field.

Through your 'well thought argument' you ignored everything the comic said in regards to the black-hole power, but right, **** atom and the man writing the comic. You know more.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
The pedantic bs you're using to distract from the logic leaps in your theory are getting old, so try to not do that again as it's becoming more evident.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
You haven't provide anything but your own interpretation which isn't accurated with what we see in the comic. When you've been proven wrong you just act as it didn't happen and won't talk about that point anymore.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
My point stills, Superman supported a BROKEN gravitational field

Except now you're just pretending that I haven't been saying that underlined part the entire time. You have to wonder how broken down you have to become when you start adopting the other side's position and parading about as if you were right the entire time.

Humility or silence. Choose one and adopt it.

Yeah, I am not going to enter in this bitchfest. I'm just going to leave this here.

I'm sure ODG knows more than Rick Veitch, the actual writer of that story. Keep hating bro.

Originally posted by One-Punch
The event horizon (i.e., boundary of no return) was incredibly tiny, only the gravity well was really shown, which was barely large enough to warp a room with Batman in it.

The actual event horizon was so small that Superman was able to cup his hand around it, preventing any matter from being sucked into the singularity to grow it's mass. This prevented the event horizon from growing larger since the size of the event horizon of a black hole is proportional to it's mass.

That black hole did NOT have stellar mass. The size of the event horizon for a black hole with stellar mass is 30 kilometers... The fact that Batman and the other heroes weren't instantly sucked in suggests the event horizon was tiny, and the warping of the room was from the gravity well.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think most people realize the black hole didn't start at "solar system busting" levels, rather Superman with help from others stopped it from growing to those levels.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I am not going to enter in this bitchfest. I'm just going to leave this here.

I'm sure ODG knows more than Rick Veitch, the actual writer of that story. Keep hating bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I am not going to enter in this bitchfest. I'm just going to leave this here.

I'm sure ODG knows more than Rick Veitch, the actual writer of that story. Keep hating bro.

😂

So you either lie or don't add anything to the debate since you refuse to argue properly. You can't prove your claims.

bada yadda, your pseudo-psychoanalysis doesn't add nothing to the thread, so please keep it to yourself. It shows you're emotionally weak so you have to resort to passive-agressive insults in order to let go your frustrations about a fictional character, to a complete stranger over internet. 😂

Please keep whining.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I am not going to enter in this bitchfest. I'm just going to leave this here.

I'm sure ODG knows more than Rick Veitch, the actual writer of that story. Keep hating bro.

Nice clarification! 👆