Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No he's not. Even as a Jedi he was part of the elite 3 with Yoda and Mace. No other Jedi could defeat any of those elite 3 until Skywalker came along.
Savage Opress defeated Dooku in sabers. And Obi-Wan defeated Skywalker, Obi-Wan should be there too with these elites according to your logic.
I am not sure about Grievous, but I heard from somewhere that Grievous gave hard time to Dooku in sabers sometimes.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Savage Opress defeated Dooku in sabers. And Obi-Wan defeated Skywalker, Obi-Wan should be there too with these elites according to your logic.
^ Yes Dooku as a Jedi was Younger, Stronger and would have better stamina. But he will lack FL which can add a nice punch to physical beats like Skywalker or Opress.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Savage Opress defeated Dooku in sabers.
No he didn't. Flooring does not equate defeating. If it does then Dooku "defeated" Skywalker in ROTS before Skywalker defeated him.
And fighting Dooku in succession one after the other with Ventress does not equate to fighting him in his own. Dooku is after all an old man, who will have limits to his stamina, when dancing around 2
Originally posted by Marco1907
And Obi-Wan defeated Skywalker, Obi-Wan should be there too with these elites according to your logic.
No, it just means Kenobi is capable of competing with Skywalker whilst Skywalker is capable of competing with 2 of the elite 3. Doesn't mean Kenobi can compete with any of the elite 3.
Originally posted by Marco1907
I am not sure about Grievous, but I heard from somewhere that Grievous gave hard time to Dooku in sabers sometimes.
Giving someone a tough time is different to actually defeating them.
I like the fight cool mind, control of the force control of fight, keeping your mind clear againzt leeting you be guided by the force.
The eternal fight Revan prefer the firzt zolution, but find the zecond great if you include zome little modification in the ztate of minde becauze againzt form 1 or VII pratitionneur or againzt multiple opponent (if he act az a warrior or fighter) the zecond opton iz clearly the bezt....
Concluzion neither of the two option are the bezt better have the two... But here in dueling that'z the firzt option that iz the bezt...
Jedi dooku iz the winner.
Dooku stomps.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Savage Opress defeated Dooku in sabers.
No, he didn't. He had Ventress, to support him. And, Dooku wasn't prepared for a duel against Opress and Ventress.
Opress actually stomped Kenobi, when Kenobi was taken by surprise, and a bit distracted by Maul's presence.
But when Kenobi was ready for a fight, he stomped Opress (who had his brother on his side).
Originally posted by Marco1907
I am not sure about Grievous, but I heard from somewhere that Grievous gave hard time to Dooku in sabers sometimes.
That was from LoE (my fav book from SW universe btw). And in that book, Mace had even harder time against Grievous then Dooku.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Dooku is not ''god-stomping'' Lol. That is why I said Dooku is the most overrated PT character in KMC.Even with that shii-cho weakness, Fisto is one of the best in the order, and one of the fastest Jedi in the Order as well. He should hold his own everytime, it would be easy for Dooku due to shii-cho but really ''god stomp'' is not happening.
Jedi Dooku regularly defeated Mace Windu in sparring. He's not overrated.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
I like the fight cool mind, control of the force control of fight, keeping your mind clear againzt leeting you be guided by the force.The eternal fight Revan prefer the firzt zolution, but find the zecond great if you include zome little modification in the ztate of minde becauze againzt form 1 or VII pratitionneur or againzt multiple opponent (if he act az a warrior or fighter) the zecond opton iz clearly the bezt....
Concluzion neither of the two option are the bezt better have the two... But here in dueling that'z the firzt option that iz the bezt...
Jedi dooku iz the winner.
DOez I'm the only one concerned about the mental warefare here?
Yhea Dooku defeat windu in dueling ---> becauz makazhi mind zet better than form I/VII mind zet in dueling.
Originally posted by Marco1907
So, Savage lost to Kenobi but failed to beat Dooku ? Nice logic McP. Very objective.
Yep. Dooku was temporary disarmed and thrown on the ground, but a moment later he was able to evade Opress' any single strike, without saber in his own hand.
Kenobi was defeated by Opress in S4, because - unlike Dooku - he wasn't able to recover after being hit by Opress. But yeah, without Maul's intervention... who knows.
And one last thing: Opress powers are exaggerated in S3 and retconed in S4 and S5.
Yeah, that's why his powers were retconed.
In S3 he overhelmed Dooku and Ventress in some way, and was a match for Anakin and Obi-Wan duo.
In S4 he became stronger cannonicaly, but was much weaker on the screen. Ventress, who - just like Dooku - couldn't parry his blows in S3, could do it in S4.
In S5 it's a logical to assume, that he was even stronger under Maul's trening, but he was stomped by Maul, stopmed By Kenobi, stomped by Sidious and even Adi gave him a fight. And only her lack of physical stamina/strenght and raw-power in the Force led her to her death. After all, she was capable of parrying his blows.
As you see, his powers were far exaggerated in S3. And Dooku is a victim of that stupid idea.
Adi Gallia, as a council member should be good. (except Coleman) She stalemated with Grievous, and stomped Aurra Sing with the force. She would give a fight to Dooku too.
Ventress already disarmed by Savage in S4 so she was losing as well, and no, Ventress is physically stronger than Dooku, but that doesn't mean she can use her physical advantage against Dooku. Very few can use this physical advantage, Savage is one of them.
Originally posted by Marco1907Disarming your opponent = auto win.
So I guess Dooku already won here at 1:13 right?
And this was a 1 v 1. You're talking about a 2 v 1 where even disarmed, neither opponent was even capable of touching Dooku.