Hmm... Because Anakin managed to pull his saber in time ? I don't remember Dooku doing the same against Savage, instead he shoots force lightning. That was the same thing with Mace vs. Sidious, Mace disarmed Sidious and that's an auto win.
As for Dooku - Asajj comparison, Asajj has much better physical condition than old geezer Dooku and she defeated pre-transform Opress, Krismo Sodi in a H2H combat, Asajj's physical abilities shouldn't be underestimated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S2bY8JY5Fk
1:37
S3 Savage is able to throws Dooku and Ventress away just with his saber blows. Then he becomes even stronger in S4, but is unable to fight like before. That means, that his powers were retconed.
S3 Savage is far stronger then S4 and S5 on the screen.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Hmm... Because Anakin managed to pull his saber in time ? I don't remember Dooku doing the same against Savage, instead he shoots force lightning. That was the same thing with Mace vs. Sidious, Mace disarmed Sidious and that's an auto win.
Maybe because Skywalker doesn't have any damn FL, and wasn't Powerful enough to TK Dooku so was Forced to go get his Lightsaber back straight away.
It's not the only example. Ventress disarms Kenobi in TCW movie, yet Kenobi just embarasses her after that, dodging ALL her blows until he gets his Saber back, and then proceeds to beat her. Dooku could have done THE EXACT SAME THING against Savage without his FL/TK, especially in a 1 V 1.
Sidious completely lost his weapon against Mace. Dooku didn't against Savage, given he uses it against Ventress later. Just because Dooku Tk'd Savage away doesn't mean he had no other option. He showed a few seconds later in fact that he can dodge both Savage and Ventress unarmed.
You're being very closed minded with this "Savage floored Dooku" thing. I've noticed when you make up your mind about something you won't shift it At All, no matter what evidence and arguments are presented to you.
There you go @ 1:30, and it's your own video so you clearly know the fight Marco:
So clearly being disarmed is NOT an Autowin. Kenobi was able to evade Ventress's strikes until he could get his Saber back. IF Kenobi could utilize Tk/FL against Ventress effectively, he likely would have gone for that option when he was disarmed instead because it's easier. Doesn't mean he was screwed without FL/Tk as we saw in the video.
Same with when Skywalker was floored and disarmed by Dooku. Being floored isn't the best position to be in, and being disarmed is something to worry about, but it's clearly not the all and end all, as long as your Saber is still lying around somewhere.
And considering Dooku was able to evade Opress's and Ventress's strikes one after the other, he'd have no problem against Opress alone.
Obi-Wan : ''Now I am impressed''
Sure you can call it a win for Ventress's part. Then Obi-Wan disarms Ventress's one blade in the end, she escapes so for that escape we can call it a one win for Obi-Wan as well, 1 - 1 , it is a good stalemate.
On the other hand Dooku never disarmed, or somehow defeated Savage in sabers at that fight. He just used his force powers.
Originally posted by McP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S2bY8JY5Fk
1:37S3 Savage is able to throws Dooku and Ventress away just with his saber blows. Then he becomes even stronger in S4, but is unable to fight like before. That means, that his powers were [b]retconed
.S3 Savage is far stronger then S4 and S5 on the screen. [/B]
Savage never throwed Ventress with sabers, he used the force to do it there.
As I said before, Asajj is physically stronger than Dooku, so your ABC comparison on this matter is make no sense. Dooku is faster and more skilled than Asajj, but Asajj is physically stronger, that is why Savage can't throw Asajj just that ease.
There is no retcon, and Savage is more powerful in S4 by Dooku's own statement, your denial on this matter is pathetic thing to do for Dooku fanboyism.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Obi-Wan : ''Now I am impressed''Sure you can call it a win for Ventress's part. Then Obi-Wan disarms Ventress's one blade in the end, she escapes so for that escape we can call it a one win for Obi-Wan as well, 1 - 1 , it is a good stalemate.
Well they both got good hits on each other, sure. But it's clearly not an Auto-Win, because if it was Kenobi would never have got the chance to even the odds. Auto-Win means the Saber fight is over.
But both Anakin and Obi-Wan proved in TCW movie that being disarmed of their weapon does not make the Saber fight won or finished. As long as their Saber is still in 1 piece, in the vicinity and not with your opponent. In other words as long as they can still use it again, which obviously Dooku could as he used it against Ventress again.
Originally posted by Marco1907
On the other hand Dooku never disarmed, or somehow defeated Savage in sabers at that fight. He just used his force powers.
Dooku using his superior force powers to hold Savage at bay while he bests Ventress in Sabers shouldn't be used as any kind of evidence to judge Dooku's Saber prowess next to Opress's. Not at all.
If Kenobi and Skywalker were outnumbered when they got disarmed, and had superior force powers to hold their second opponent at bay, you can bet they would have resorted to similar tactics.
There iz 4 kind of approach in term of light zaber fighthing ztyle
Form I/VII approach :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXdVxjSABk&list=UUm7imB9QanTySN-Lfae0SIQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=683
Form II appraoch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL14E48361CD4C0B5A&v=Rh--fgseTlc&feature=player_detailpage#t=158
Kenobi and many golden era Jedi approach ---> the application of the zame method again and again.. Method leading to he victory, a very conziztent ztyle.
Exar Kun/Grievouz approach....
We are with Form I appraoch againzt form II approach combined with the third apporach...
Originally posted by Marco1907
Obi-Wan : ''Now I am impressed''Sure you can call it a win for Ventress's part. Then Obi-Wan disarms Ventress's one blade in the end, she escapes so for that escape we can call it a one win for Obi-Wan as well, 1 - 1 , it is a good stalemate.
On the other hand Dooku never disarmed, or somehow defeated Savage in sabers at that fight. He just used his force powers.
Savage never throwed Ventress with sabers, he used the force to do it there.
As I said before, Asajj is physically stronger than Dooku, so your ABC comparison on this matter is make no sense. Dooku is faster and more skilled than Asajj, but Asajj is physically stronger, that is why Savage can't throw Asajj just that ease.
There is no retcon, and Savage is more powerful in S4 by Dooku's own statement, your denial on this matter is pathetic thing to do for Dooku fanboyism.
Ventress is not stronger than Dooku in anything. Ventress couldn't hold back Kenobi and Skywalker in a saber lock with one hand.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Ventress is not stronger than Dooku in anything. Ventress couldn't hold back Kenobi and Skywalker in a saber lock with one hand.
That's the most ridiculous answer I've ever heard on this matter. Asajj already blocked Kenobi and Skywalker's blade at the same time more than once. Even though that means nothing,
1- Obi-Wan and Anakin sucks at teamwork
2- Anakin always fails to use his full strength at 2 v 1 due to mobility weakness of Djem-So, that is why Anakin always did better against Dooku in 1 v 1.
Here is your ridiculous ''strength'' criteria
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And if you think Dooku can beat pre-transform Savage in a H2H combat only, then you are simply dreaming,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npapMYNSvI
Krismo Sodi, he is pretty good at H2H as well ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iLo1UAEnumo#t=38
Ventress is better H2H combat fighter than old geezer Dooku, actually many young Jedi are.
Mental warfare iz more important.
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Originally posted by Marco1907
That's the most ridiculous answer I've ever heard on this matter. Asajj already blocked Kenobi and Skywalker's blade at the same time more than once. Even though that means nothing,1- Obi-Wan and Anakin sucks at teamwork
2- Anakin always fails to use his full strength at 2 v 1 due to mobility weakness of Djem-So, that is why Anakin always did better against Dooku in 1 v 1.Here is your ridiculous ''strength'' criteria
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And if you think Dooku can beat pre-transform Savage in a H2H combat only, then you are simply dreaming,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npapMYNSvI
Krismo Sodi, he is pretty good at H2H as well ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iLo1UAEnumo#t=38
Ventress is better H2H combat fighter than old geezer Dooku, actually many young Jedi are.
I said with one hand genius. Ventress blocking one of them with one hand isn't impressive.
Also this argument is tiresome and has virtually Ventress is no where near Dooku even in H2H. Dooku's fought with the likes of Yoda and Skywalker, if he doesn't underestimate Savage he will not get disarmed by him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku did have elevation and good positioning in that case, while the Duo had extremely poor positions and leverage.
I suppose, but going toe to toe with Skywalker period is no small feat considering he's been noted to have monstrous strength by many sources.
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- sun djem : destruction du sabre laser
Le sun djem (qui signifie "désarmement"😉 était un objectif des Maîtres de Forme I puisque la destruction de l'arme de l'adversaire pouvait apporter la victoire sans causer de blessures, ce qui est toujours le souhait d'un Jedi. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée.
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Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée. Mais, les progrès qu'apporta la Forme II en matière de technique de combat rendit obsolète l'utilisation du sun djem : les combattants étaient entraînés à éviter que leur arme ne soit saisie ou endommagée.