Originally posted by AncientPower
No but seriously how is Exar Kun below Leia Organa Solo and Darth Malgus and on the level of Malak? Kun would stomp Malak five ways to Sunday.
These tiers are for a general idea, and either of them have comparable showings to Kun with regards to power.
No one would stomp either in a duel. Malak froze Revan in a whirlwind, and Leia repelled DE Sidious on a potent darkside nexus (Byss). They're on the same tier in power.
Also I'd really have to disagree with Kun being on another level to Malgus. Malgus's telekinesis showings are better, he has superior lightning, and at times the magnitude of his feats are at least on par with Kun's.
Sounds good 👆. I'd give it another day, unless others have any more disagreements on placement. We can probably move to the overall tier tonight and extend it past Christmas probably.
There will also be a chance to go over all three again before I finally post all three tiers, so anyone who missed a chance gets one last one.
Exar Kun would semi-stomp KotOR!Revan while he's at it too. Oh and Leia had a consistent amp from her pregnancy and motherhood rage going for her, still impressive but let's not pretend others haven't done similar things to Sids before.
Not to mention Kun is repeatedly put above Vader in power as well.
Then, abruptly, he stiffened, his breath seeming to freeze in his throat. There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him and laughing.
- Star Wars Specters of the Past
The dark knowledge of the Sith teachings died with Kun, it is extremely unlikely that any records survive, either on Yavin IV or elsewhere(Keep in mind that even Darth Vader, himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, did not know all there is to know about Sith powers.)
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
*insert dump of Kun most powerful quotes here*
So is your point to raise him above Malgus or Leia, or what? On accolades he's fit pretty much right where he needs to be, he isn't vastly more powerful than either Malak or Malgus to the extent your implying. If you want me to move him further than provide a scan that Leia needed an amp to deflect Palpatine. This is the second time someone has made that claim, but thus far no one has shown that Anakin amped Leia.
If you can provide the scan I'll move him up past Leia or at least on that level, granted again the difference between them isn't vast.
The most powerful and dangerous of all Sith Lords, Exar Kun was once the apprentice of the Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas.
- The Official Star Wars Fact File
Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire. Killed by an overwhelming force of Jedi, the spirit of Exar Kun survived across the vastness of time to challenge Luke Skywalker and a new group of Jedi trainees.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Odan Urr goes to the Force and the darkest power in the galaxy walks away with something that will make him even stronger.
- Tales of the Jedi
She discovers the accounts of the Great Sith War, and learns that though Kun was far more powerful than any one other Jedi of the time, A combined force had defeated him.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
"Though Kun had enormous power, it seems that the key was that the other Jedi combined their might. They fought together as a unit where all the pieces fit together, as components in a much larger machine powered by the Force."
-Star Wars Jedi Academy Trilogy Volume 3 - Champions of the Force
Then, abruptly, he stiffened, his breath seeming to freeze in his throat. There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him and laughing.
- Star Wars Specters of the Past
Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt.
- Behind the Threat: The Sith, Part 3: Design
The most powerful Sith Lords possess a talent for the dark alchemy of the Sith. The Emperor, like Naga Sadow and Exar Kun long before him, became a master of manipulating the genetic building blocks of living creatures through the dark side. Over the millennia, many creatures have been broken, twisted, and rebuilt by this evil power.
- The Dark Side Sourcebook
This puts him above every Sith Lord up until his time and even places him as more powerful than Pre-TOR Vitiate. Not to mention being vastly more powerful than the likes of Nomi, Thon, Odan-Urr, Arca Jeth and Vandar is a very impressive statement.
Further research however brings up a point, 'his time' is in reference to the Old Sith Wars, which means he gets put solidly above Surik, Vima and Revan as well, TOR!Revan? No but novel Revan? Yes.
Mace Windu isn't more powerful than Darth Maul, and he isn't as powerful as someone who was throwing Galen Marek around.
Originally posted by EmperordmbCV has debated SW for something like four or five years, the couple of tier threads we've made have existed for a matter of months. But have fun thinking of new reasons to bash the forum 👆
I have always been against the idea of a tier thread. It's one of the reasons I don't care for Comicvine.Again, feel free to continue making it, but I do not believe this thread should receive any special treatment from the mods, ie. A sticky
And there's no need to be salty about the thread. It's not an official guide everyone has to follow and nobody is going to go around in threads saying "6 > 5", it's just a rough guide for people who want to gauge how good characters are. It doesn't get in the way of personal debating.
And in some fights, other factors are more important then Tier.
Anakin vs. Obi Wan. ObiWan should've been owned, by the numbers. But he had the high ground.
ROTJ Luke vs. Vader and Sidious. How the hell does Luke get out of that alive? Nobody, including Sidious, anticipated Anakin Skywalker jumping in.
Exar Kun vs. Luke Skywalker. Kun has no business knocking Luke unconscious, but he did.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You can make this topic if you want. But I have a problem with it being made a sticky or somehow being considered "official" when it does not accurately reflect the views of the forum.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's hardly pointless. I have a problem with this thread being made a sticky as if it was official. Feel free to continue, but I have a problem with this thread being specially stickied among the other thousands of threads on here when it is not officially representative. I don't care if you made it, or if one of my friends made it. I do not think this thread should be a sticky.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
As far as making this thread a sticky goes, I am strongly against it.I really don't care who made this thread, I've always been against this idea, and don't think it accurately represents everyone.