KMC Star Wars Community Tier effort

I'm not convinced Sidious is Luke's equal flat out. I'd consider Luke to win 6/10 or 7/10 in just sabers.

Most people have Luke>Sidious.

Yes. Sidious is certainly #2, but equal they are not.

Originally posted by McP
Is this latest lightsaber's Tier list?

Yeah.

Well, that thing that has Luke and Sidious listed on the same rank should be fixed. Cause...they're not.

Same Tier, sure, but not equal.

For force or dueling?

In the Force, certainly. Sidious PROBABLY qualifies as a rank 10 Duelist as well, though I'm not sure we can prove that, or if he just has that on rep due to his I AM THE DARK SIDE thing he's got going on.

I mean, if you put Yoda in Sidious' position, with the same 4 guys coming after him, could he have killed them with his Saber skills?

That's the key to determining if Sidious is a rank 9 duelist or a rank 10 duelist. Could Yoda have taken out those save 4 guys? (including Mace?)

Savage is very low on the dueling tier. He should at least be mid-high 7.

Gallia should be raised to be in Unduli's area. Koth should be raised too, imo.

I originally had Savage in tier 7, but lowered him per request for ILS as he said his skill level is actually quite low. I'll raise him but only if you talk it over with him. I will move Gallia over though

Ok So thus far for lightsaber skill:

Tier 10

1. GM Skywalker/DE Darth Sidious
2. Yoda
3. Darth Caedus

Tier 9:

1. Count Dooku, Mace Windu, Darth Vader
2. Lumiya

(8.5)Darth Plagueis ??? Darth Tenebrous???
Tier 8: Lightsaber Skill

1. Darth Maul/Asajj Ventress/Exar Kun/General Grievous/Jaina Solo/Obi Wan

2. Revan/Ulic Qel Droma/Mara Jade Skywalker/Agen Kolar/Kit Fisto/Plo Koon

3. Darth Malgus/Kyle Katarn/Cade Skywalker/Darth Krayt/Saba Sebatyne

(7.5) Darth Venamis????/Darth Malak
Tier 7:

1. Meetra Surik/Sora Bulq/Wrath II/Saesee Tiin/Raskta Lsu/HoT/Kyp Durron

2. Corran Horn/Leia Organa Solo/Ki Adi Mundi/Qui Gon Jinn/Vodo Siosk Baas/Darth Bane/Quinlan Vos/Luminara Unduli/Ven Zallow/Adi Gallia/

3. Galen Marek??/Kenth Hamner/Anakin Solo/Shaak Ti//Aayla Secura/Xesh?

Tier 6:

1. Savage Opress/Darth Zannah/Jaden Korr/Eeth Koth/Darth Wyyrlok/Satele Shan

2. Bastila Shan/Anoon Bondara/Nejaa Halcyon/Kas'im/Barsenthor/Kao Cen Darach/Darth Nihl/Darth Talon/Tol Braga/

3 Gnost Dural/Darth Talon?

Originally posted by Angelalex242
In the Force, certainly. Sidious PROBABLY qualifies as a rank 10 Duelist as well, though I'm not sure we can prove that, or if he just has that on rep due to his I AM THE DARK SIDE thing he's got going on.

I mean, if you put Yoda in Sidious' position, with the same 4 guys coming after him, could he have killed them with his Saber skills?

That's the key to determining if Sidious is a rank 9 duelist or a rank 10 duelist. Could Yoda have taken out those save 4 guys? (including Mace?)

They're all similar in skill, but in the force I guess Luke might be better. Will raise him in a bit.

Tier 10

1. GM Skywalker
2. DE Darth Sidious

Tier 9:
Yoda
Darth Caedus
1. Count Dooku, Mace Windu, Darth Vader
2. Lumiya

Isn't it supposed to be this?

^ Yes, sir

I'm not sure if I want to lower Sidious out of Luke's tier in force ability though. DE Sidious is too powerful to be lumped with Caedus, Plagueis, etc.

I didn't say Sidious isn't a 10 in the force. He is.

I just said:

Tier 10:
1: GM Luke
2: DE Sidious

Meaning if they go head to head, Luke wins, but Sidious will take anyone else easily enough.

Originally posted by carthage
I originally had Savage in tier 7, but lowered him per request for ILS as he said his skill level is actually quite low. I'll raise him but only if you talk it over with him. I will move Gallia over though

I disagree with him somewhat as he's shown good skill in beating Plo Koon, and fighting evenly with Ventress. How much you want to attribute that to brute force is up to you

Originally posted by Angelalex242
I didn't say Sidious isn't a 10 in the force. He is.

I just said:

Tier 10:
1: GM Luke
2: DE Sidious

Meaning if they go head to head, Luke wins, but Sidious will take anyone else easily enough.

Thanks for the clarification

Anymore edits to the lightsaber tier?

Are we sure Yoda and Caedus rise to the level of 10s in lightsaber?

I think they're 9s, not 10s.

I do know Yoda vs. Caedus is a dead draw, due to my thread on the subject. Of course, that was an all out battle.

But to rise to the level of a 10 in Lightsabers, you need to be able to beat Mace and the B team by yourself. Luke can do this with lots of room to spare. DE Sidious is stronger then his ROTS self and does it almost as well.

If Caedus or Yoda can win, even with difficulty, they might rise to the level of a 10.

Yoda might be able to beat Mace and B-team as well. I have no idea, if Caedus can.
And are you sure guys, that Lumiya should be in Tier 9 as well? There was discussion about that, and I would place her in top Tier 8 as well.

I also noticed Darth Bane is not listed on the Force Tier list. Considering how often his name comes up in debates, he should probably be listed somewhere.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Savage is very low on the dueling tier. He should at least be mid-high 7.