KMC Star Wars Community Tier effort

Started by carthage35 pages
carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES
Originally posted by ares834
RotJ Luke was struggling because he was unfamiliar with her weapon and unable to counter it. Their duel in Sacrifice was utter PIS.

If you're referring to their final duel in Sacrifice where he decapitates her, there is no "PIS" about it the text more or less says it. Either way either fights are still applicable feats, most fighters have low showings

ares834 Senior Member

Most have high as well. At the end of the day, Lumiya was unable to overcome a fodder Jedi until the intervention of Alema. That's not the prowess of a character in one of the uppermost tiers. And Luke kicked her ass regardless; it was a very lopsided battle.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
[b]Bastila: "Don't try to move to quicky, you might not be fully recovered yet. Admiral Karath had his guards continue to torture you even after you passed out. "
-- KoTOR: Leviathan level.

She doesn't say he was fully recovered broski and I was talking about how Bastila was not at her best in that fight and she along with the crew(Revan and Kaidan AlenkoCarth) were tortured, had to go through the Leviathan forces(which would tire them out) and then she - alone, took on Malak. Clearly she wasn't at her best when she fought Malak. Again, that is a fact. [/B]


Precisely, that was what I was referring to. I am glad you managed to find some information on the game, it will help further your knowledge on Star Wars lore! I also suggest you to watch the Star Wars movie saga. It will help you on debates and make you perhaps a credible debater, and not laughing stock for the rest of the board. Best wishes! Friendly suggestions aside, look at the quote you posted. By the time of Revan's awoke, she already states you might not be "fully recovered." Fully as in completely... no injuries. If you would have played the game, you would then know a companion character goes and frees them. Then they run around door-to-door, killing Sith Troopers and Dark Jedi. By then, Revan would have absolutely recovered, given that by the time he woke up, Bastila directly says he is either back-to-normal, or almost there. Sourcebooks and canonical guides additionally state that Carth was the major participator in the fight against Admiral Saul, which makes logical sense given their history together. I suggest you try not to use fabricated opinions as fact, also. It will make members, who already just ignore your posts, do it even more. Note that, assuming you have at least watched a video on the subject so you have a pathetic yet existent knowledge on the subject, Bastila Shan directly states Revan suffered the greatest amount of torture by far. Carth Onasi, also a member of the video game, agrees with her. If Revan is fully recovered by then, all logic suggests Bastila Shan would be too. Also, to help you out, I got the Amazon link to the Star Wars saga movies. I suggest you watch them! 😄 :
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carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Unless there is anyone I'm missing, when I get back home I'll make some more edits and the lightsabers tier is pretty much done. If someone wants to make a tier 5 and lower, be my guest

Next up is force abilities

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by carthage
She bested ROTJ Luke and fought evenly with Luke in their final duel in Sacrifice, this earns her place up there

@ MCP will make your adjustments in a bit, but if Tiin moves up Malak moves up imo

She was a rookie duelist, surprise and esotericness (not a word) was all that got her past Luke.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Which is why she was able to hold her against him three times 👆

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by carthage
Unless there is anyone I'm missing, when I get back home I'll make some more edits and the lightsabers tier is pretty much done. If someone wants to make a tier 5 and lower, be my guest

Next up is force abilities

If you move up Malak simply due to Ants raging hard on for anything to do with Revan this list loses all credibility... Don't do stuff just to spite Neph.

Surik on the other hand, Fated come on brah help me get her up.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Mother, you asking Fated for help demolishes your credibility.
And oh yeah, need to reply to you on Malak vs Exile. I'll do that soon.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

I'm not seeing any reason why either of them are anything more than a low tier 8. I can make adjustments but so far no one seems to know which one is better out of those two. I also don't see any issue on why its controversial they're on the same tier

Sort it out between yourselves, hehe

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Shifting between my omniscient, dick personality to my affectionate, serious personality for Selenial for the debate will be hard. :mmm:

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Plz hurry too we need to move onto force abilities and then overall and then I'll pm Babading when it's all over and done with to make it a sticky

Until the. I'm going to keep them high tier 7

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not seeing any reason why either of them are anything more than a low tier 8. I can make adjustments but so far no one seems to know which one is better out of those two. I also don't see any issue on why its controversial they're on the same tier

Sort it out between yourselves, hehe

It's more that you're even contemplating putting Tiin above them.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by carthage
Plz hurry too we need to move onto force abilities and then overall and then I'll pm Babading when it's all over and done with to make it a sticky

Until the. I'm going to keep them high tier 7


There is no rush.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

McP wanted to move Tiin up, and All i said was if Tiin is a low tier 8 than I'll raise Malak.

But like I said you two sort it out

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Tiin being anywhere near the Exile, Revan, or Malak is disgusting.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Selenial
What? Revan schooled him.

"Malak's most distinguishing feature, his steel jaw, disguises a vicious lightsaber wound inflicted by his former Master in their desperate final battle."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith

Redeemed Revans battle was brutal because he had to beat Malak 4 ****ing times.

*3 times.

Superior as confirmed by what source?

"Malak was always the 'brawn' to Revan's 'brain' - he was renowned for his combat abilities, and I always felt that he was even better than Revan with a lightsaber."
--Drew Karpyshyn (Author)

And how does Malaks combat abilities being equal to Revans tactical ability put him anywhere near Surik?

Malak having as much of an impact on the Mandalorian Wars through combat as the greatest Force-sensitive military leader in history is pretty insane.

Dafuq has Bastilla got on her

"Though there was immense power in the Shan bloodline, there is also a streak of unorthodoxy."
--Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia

also Game mechanics.

Cut-scenes, dear. And also, double-standards.

Originally posted by Selenial
By your logic Atris lost in 10, and Atris is one of the best in the order

That's great... I care a lot.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Desperate final battle in that Malak was desperate, comprehension child, work on it.

He consumed 3 Jedi. Fight -> Jedi -> Fight -> Jedi -> Fight -> Jedi -> Fight.... Wasn't it? That's 4 times.

If you take Authors words that seriously, Meetra is confirmed better than Revan since he's "proficient" in each form and she mastered all of them.

The Shan Bloodline quote comes after Revan tossed his DNA In there, it's not all from Bastilla. And one lowly Sith Lord created Vitiate, so yeh. But most of that power is Revan, obviously. Her parents were nothing.

They carried on fighting after the cutscene, so no.

Watch your attitude child.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Selenial
Desperate final battle in that Malak was desperate, comprehension child, work on it.

"...in their desperate final battle."
"...in their desperate final battle."
"...in their desperate final battle."
"...in their desperate final battle."
"...in their desperate final battle."
"...in their desperate final battle."

Originally posted by Selenial
He consumed 3 Jedi. Fight -> Jedi -> Fight -> Jedi -> Fight -> Jedi -> Fight.... Wasn't it? That's 4 times.

2 Jedi.

Originally posted by Selenial
If you take Authors words that seriously, Meetra is confirmed better than Revan since he's "proficient" in each form and she mastered all of them.

Mastery is great, but so is experience, speed and precognition. Mastery over the forms sure helped Cin Drallig a lot!

Originally posted by Selenial
The Shan Bloodline quote comes after Revan tossed his DNA in there

😮‍💨

Originally posted by Selenial
Her parents were nothing.

The Ones was pretty immense, IIRC.

Originally posted by Selenial
They carried on fighting after the cutscene, so no.

By the time Revan got in the Ebon Hawk, the Sith forces were already gathering shit to capture him.
Note that with Saul dead and them expecting Malak to kill Revan, Malak would have had to contact them.
They wouldn't dare try to capture Malak's prey without his permission, especially knowing he came there for it.

Originally posted by Selenial
Watch your attitude child.

Love you.

McP Senior Member

@Ant
I just wanted Tiin to be on the same league with Kolar, Fisto and the rest masters of their level.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

I feel ya, broski. Issue is the gap between Kenobi and Sidious is only one tier, so it gives a false impression to be honest.