Physical Strength Contest: Superman VS Kurse VS Thor VS The Hulk

Kryptonians were absorbing solar radiation aboard Black Zero, it is very clear. (It should be known, in general, that energy from the sun can penetrate solid objects. It even hits deep below our planet's surface.) They survive getting hit by bulkhead doors as being shot with guns designed to kill them with no damage or visible injury. The female Kryptonian even punches a hole in the cockpit (the gun is what did the real damage, the punch was in the center of the pod, the sparks were coming from the top where the shots were.) Further proof hat kryptonians have superkryptonian abilities aboard their ships when within range of a young star:

This is from Man of Steel's official prequel comic. Kara Zor-El and Dev-Em are fighting aboard the scout ship that Clark finds. They are only approaching Earth at this point but are obviously within the sun's range. They have both begun to absorb solar radiation, and it has given Dev-Em the strength to dent the metal walls of the ship with 1 punch.

Lois overpowering the female soldier was somewhat PIS. The soldier was really trying to get the gun away from her when Lois kicked her. She succeeded but Lois forced separation. This isn't entirely unimaginable as the soldier wouldn't weight so much that Lois couldn't move her, but she still would have been dragged out of that pod if it were me.

As to Kal regaining his strength: As has already been beaten to death, Kryptonian atmosphere inhibits his abilities to an unsurpassed degree because he never adapted to it. All of the solar radiation he had stored in his body was still there, the atmosphere aboard the ship was simply inhibiting his ability to process it into superpowers. Implying that Earth's atmosphere alone can give him superkryptonian abilities is nonsense.

Jax-Ur grabbed his throat because he could likely feel the change, but he ran away because he is a scientist, not a soldier. A nerd not a fighter. I doubt Faora would do the same in his position.

Originally posted by TheGrat1

This isn't entirely unimaginable as the soldier wouldn't weight so much that Lois couldn't move her.

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Except when a grown man tried to push Clark in the bar, it didn't even budge Clark. And the guy ended up pushing himself back...

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Except when a grown man tried to push Clark in the bar, it didn't even budge Clark. And the guy ended up pushing himself back...

That's why I said "somewhat PIS". wink1 It could make sense, but the movie provides us with a lot of reasons why it shouldn't have gone down that way.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They weren't as strong as Kal on their ship.. and NO point did they even have a fight for you to prove your claim. They were just as weak as a human on that ship as well. It's flat out stated that Kryptonians in a red sun environment (atmosphere included) they are as weak as a human. Thus on a ship mirroring Krypton's environment they were weak as a human. The MOMMENT he breath earth atmosphere.. He breaks free.. No YELLOW SUN PRESENT.. yet he regained strength well well beyond a human and casually broke free of his restraints

I know the line very well.. I posted the video of it. Then he goes on to say Earth atmosphere is more nourishing than Krypton's in the very next breath. Clearly atmosphere is also important. How could you miss this part slapping you in the face?

Except all the fights they had on Earth with their suits which were feeding the Kryptonian air. They still had their strength and speed. There's no red sun component, it was just air. Superman was weakened because he's body is not adapted to Krypton's atmosphere, this has been explained. He even collapsed and passed out ffs.

Based on the movie it gives them their sensory powers and maybe heat vision, but the strength and speed is all because of the sunlight.

The Kryptonians on the ship were getting taken out by lasers and doors. They also couldn't run and catch Lois. Obvious they didn't have any powers during that moment.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except all the fights they had on Earth with their suits which were feeding the Kryptonian air. They still had their strength and speed. There's no red sun component, it was just air. Superman was weakened because he's body is not adapted to Krypton's atmosphere, this has been explained. He even collapsed and passed out ffs.

Based on the movie it gives them their sensory powers and maybe heat vision, but the strength and speed is all because of the sunlight.

Point is, the atmosphere plays a key role in Kryptonians power based on the movies.

The entire point is... Zod had less exposure than superman. His suit was either allowing only some YSR and keeping out all the nutrients of earth atmosphere... or it was blocking all YSR and still feeding him Krypton like atmosphere. In EITHER case he was far less exposed to beneficial things than superman and significantly less time than superman... Yet was still able to keep up with him and in many ways out perform him. That is how the whole discussion started

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Kryptonians were absorbing solar radiation aboard Black Zero, it is very clear. (It should be known, in general, that energy from the sun can penetrate solid objects. It even hits deep below our planet's surface.) They survive getting hit by bulkhead doors as being shot with guns designed to kill them with no damage or visible injury. The female Kryptonian even punches a hole in the cockpit (the gun is what did the real damage, the punch was in the center of the pod, the sparks were coming from the top where the shots were.) Further proof hat kryptonians have superkryptonian abilities aboard their ships when within range of a young star:

This is from Man of Steel's official prequel comic. Kara Zor-El and Dev-Em are fighting aboard the scout ship that Clark finds. They are only approaching Earth at this point but are obviously within the sun's range. They have both begun to absorb solar radiation, and it has given Dev-Em the strength to dent the metal walls of the ship with 1 punch.

Lois overpowering the female soldier was somewhat PIS. The soldier was really trying to get the gun away from her when Lois kicked her. She succeeded but Lois forced separation. This isn't entirely unimaginable as the soldier wouldn't weight so much that Lois couldn't move her, but she still would have been dragged out of that pod if it were me.

As to Kal regaining his strength: As has already been beaten to death, Kryptonian atmosphere inhibits his abilities to an unsurpassed degree because he never adapted to it. All of the solar radiation he had stored in his body was still there, the atmosphere aboard the ship was simply inhibiting his ability to process it into superpowers. Implying that Earth's atmosphere alone can give him superkryptonian abilities is nonsense.

Jax-Ur grabbed his throat because he could likely feel the change, but he ran away because he is a scientist, not a soldier. A nerd not a fighter. I doubt Faora would do the same in his position.

Totally baseless speculation on your part. They literally design ships today to keep out Solar radiation. This is a common thing in space exploration. To even think, that an even more advanced race wouldn't and couldn't do the same is laughable.

Jor-El SPECIFICALLY and SEPERATLY mentions YSR AND Earth atmosphere and how nourishing it is. Atmosphere does play a role. You literally have no basis at all to say that the atmosphere on the ship was merely not allowing Kal_el to process YSR and it was all still in him at the time. You have zero proof of that what so ever.

You also keep talking about adapting to Krypton atmosphere as it tha would make any kind of difference. As has already been stated. On krypton under a red sun with a atmosphere under a red sun they are like normal humans. Clark's weakness had nothing to do with him not adapting. He could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted and still been powerless. How this canon fact escaped you is beyond me.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Kryptonians were absorbing solar radiation aboard Black Zero, it is very clear. (It should be known, in general, that energy from the sun can penetrate solid objects. It even hits deep below our planet's surface.) They survive getting hit by bulkhead doors as being shot with guns designed to kill them with no damage or visible injury. The female Kryptonian even punches a hole in the cockpit (the gun is what did the real damage, the punch was in the center of the pod, the sparks were coming from the top where the shots were.) Further proof hat kryptonians have superkryptonian abilities aboard their ships when within range of a young star:

This is from Man of Steel's official prequel comic. Kara Zor-El and Dev-Em are fighting aboard the scout ship that Clark finds. They are only approaching Earth at this point but are obviously within the sun's range. They have both begun to absorb solar radiation, and it has given Dev-Em the strength to dent the metal walls of the ship with 1 punch.

Lois overpowering the female soldier was somewhat PIS. The soldier was really trying to get the gun away from her when Lois kicked her. She succeeded but Lois forced separation. This isn't entirely unimaginable as the soldier wouldn't weight so much that Lois couldn't move her, but she still would have been dragged out of that pod if it were me.

As to Kal regaining his strength: As has already been beaten to death, Kryptonian atmosphere inhibits his abilities to an unsurpassed degree because he never adapted to it. All of the solar radiation he had stored in his body was still there, the atmosphere aboard the ship was simply inhibiting his ability to process it into superpowers. Implying that Earth's atmosphere alone can give him superkryptonian abilities is nonsense.

Jax-Ur grabbed his throat because he could likely feel the change, but he ran away because he is a scientist, not a soldier. A nerd not a fighter. I doubt Faora would do the same in his position.

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Is that comic worth reading?

Originally posted by carver9
The Kryptonians on the ship were getting taken out by lasers and doors. They also couldn't run and catch Lois. Obvious they didn't have any powers during that moment.

Ant yet they had powers while wearing the masks, it's possible the guys on the ship just weren't exposed to direct sunlight like Faora, Zod, and Nam-Ek were. Or its just a plot hole.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, the atmosphere plays a key role in Kryptonians power based on the movies.

The entire point is... Zod had less exposure than superman. His suit was either allowing only some YSR and keeping out all the nutrients of earth atmosphere... or it was blocking all YSR and still feeding him Krypton like atmosphere. In EITHER case he was far less exposed to beneficial things than superman and significantly less time than superman... Yet was still able to keep up with him and in many ways out perform him. That is how the whole discussion started

In SOME powers, namely sensory powers and maybe HV. They still had their strength and speed while wearing the suits, so that and Jor-El's s speach prove the Sun is what gives them their physical power. Only Superman's head and hands are exposed, yet he doesn't get weaker, Kryptonians don't need to sunbathe to get their powers.

There's 0 proof that prolonged exposure increases the amount of power they have. Zod was simply more skilled and better trained, which let him adapt faster than Kal.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Ant yet they had powers while wearing the masks, it's possible the guys on the ship just weren't exposed to direct sunlight like Faora, Zod, and Nam-Ek were. Or its just a plot hole.

In SOME powers, namely sensory powers and maybe HV. They still had their strength and speed while wearing the suits, so that and Jor-El's s speach prove the Sun is what gives them their physical power. Only Superman's head and hands are exposed, yet he doesn't get weaker, Kryptonians don't need to sunbathe to get their powers.

There's 0 proof that prolonged exposure increases the amount of power they have. Zod was simply more skilled and better trained, which let him adapt faster than Kal.

What I'm saying is.. more of the body exposed and able to absorb is more of the body exposed. Simple.

The whole point is, Zod, Faora and Nam all had less exposure than Kal and there is no getting around this point. They weren't breathing an atmosphere that canonically stated to be nourishing. We see what it does to Kal as soon as he starts breathing it. When Faora was treating superman like a feeb.. she had none of earth atmosphere breathed in and less exposure. We can try and make up all the excuses we want, but at the end of the day, they outperformed him with significantly less exposure to YSR and the earth Atmosphere.

Should also be noted that every Kryptonian Kal fought was not only genetically custom-made to be a better warrior since they were from the military caste, but had spent a large portion (if not all) of the lives training to fight.

Kal was made the old fashion way, with apparently no genetic modifications.

Originally posted by Robtard
Should also be noted that every Kryptonian Kal fought was not only genetically custom-made to be a better warrior since they were from the military caste, but had spent a large portion (if not all) of the lives training to fight.

Kal was made the old fashion way, with apparently no genetic modifications.

This and Superman still won.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What I'm saying is.. more of the body exposed and able to absorb is more of the body exposed. Simple.

The whole point is, Zod, Faora and Nam all had less exposure than Kal and there is no getting around this point. They weren't breathing an atmosphere that canonically stated to be nourishing. We see what it does to Kal as soon as he starts breathing it. When Faora was treating superman like a feeb.. she had none of earth atmosphere breathed in and less exposure. We can try and make up all the excuses we want, but at the end of the day, they outperformed him with significantly less exposure to YSR and the earth Atmosphere.

Superman has barely exposure as well by that logic, all the sunlight reaches is his hands and face.

That's not an argument when it is specifically pointed out Kal's strength is due to the Sun, "nourishing" is too vague. There are a couple of scenes where Superman is in space, has no air, but still retains his powers, that disporves your theory. His problem with Kryptonian atmosphere is because his body hadn't been adapted to it like theirs were. I've already covered the exposure, it doesn't prove anything, and it's not like Superman was naked. They didn't outperform him, Faora was KOed and Zod was killed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
This and Superman still won.

Superman has barely exposure as well by that logic, all the sunlight reaches is his hands and face.

That's not an argument when it is specifically pointed out Kal's strength is due to the Sun, "nourishing" is too vague. There are a couple of scenes where Superman is in space, has no air, but still retains his powers, that disporves your theory. His problem with Kryptonian atmosphere is because his body hadn't been adapted to it like theirs were. I've already covered the exposure, it doesn't prove anything, and it's not like Superman was naked. They didn't outperform him, Faora was KOed and Zod was killed.

He's had YEARS and YEARS of exposure without any suit on.. He only put that suit on recently.

False again, Jor-El makes it clear that the atmosphere also plays a role and listed them as two separate things.. Which they are. You haven't disproved a single thing Carver. You're not understanding... nobody is saying YSR doesn't empower him further or strengthen him... It does. However, the atmosphere also empowers him and makes him even stronger. Of this there can be no doubt. So when he's in space.. He still has YSR to feed on even if the atmosphere isn't present. How this basic and logical point alludes you is beyond me.

Yes they did outperform him... They Temp KO'd him.. Faora called him weak as she treated him like a weak feeb. This was all down with SIGNIFCANTLY less Yellow Sun exposure and NO exposure with our atmosphere noted to be nourishing. They had no exposure to that and we're still outperforming him.

You keep going on and on about adapting and that is a blatant and total lie. It has NOTHING to do with adapting. Clark could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted and still been powerless there. His lack of strength had nothing to do with adapting at all. As shown Kryptonians can live there their entire lives and have no powers. It had nothing to do with adapting.. Krypton's atmosphere made him weak.. as soon as he breathed Earth's he instantly broke free. The director couldn't have illustrated how important our atmosphere was anymore than that scene. Though Jor_el Saying it should've been good enough

Blah blah blah, he gets his powers from the earths conditions. Whats left to talk about.

"Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: Link

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur

If you notice, when it comes to strength/powers, the Sun is only mentioned.

An avocado and blueberry smoothie is "nourishing" as well.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: Link

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur

If you notice, when it comes to strength/powers, the Sun is only mentioned.

An avocado and blueberry smoothie is "nourishing" as well.

Mix me one up..sugar.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: Link

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur

If you notice, when it comes to strength/powers, the Sun is only mentioned.

An avocado and blueberry smoothie is "nourishing" as well.

Point me to the line where Jor-El mentions power coming from the sun. He mentions the strengthening of muscles and sense.. skin.. Saw no mention of powers like you indicated. Where was that again? For the life of me.. I can't figure out why you keep quoting a Wiki page that is not canon nor a valid source.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point me to the line where Jor-El mentions power coming from the sun. He mentions the strengthening of muscles and sense.. skin.. Saw no mention of powers like you indicated. Where was that again?

Are you being obtuse on purpose? But here you go again, I've even underlined the important bits for you 🙂

"Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: Link

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur

Curious, where do you believe Superman gets his heat-vision from if not from absorbing/converting solar radiation? Do you think it comes from breathing? LOL!

Write NOTHING from a Valid source saying his power comes from YSR like you said. A wikia page doesn't count as a valid source... Not even close. All the movie lines do... and not one of them mentions power... Only Strength... Senses.. Skin.. Now WHERE IS THE LINE IN THE MOVIE that mentions power?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Write NOTHING from a Valid source saying his power comes from YSR like you said. A wikia page doesn't count as a valid source... Not even close. All the movie lines do... and not one of them mentions power... Only Strength... Senses.. Skin.. Now WHERE IS THE LINE IN THE MOVIE that mentions power?

Jor El said his cells have strengthened his muscles.