Physical Strength Contest: Superman VS Kurse VS Thor VS The Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
But it's not. Kryptonians have the capability to gain powers, if certain conditions are met. Not: they have powers unless those powers are robbed from them.

Yeah, they're denser. Harsh to humans, not harsh to Kryptonians who evolved there.

You're looking at it backwards now. They were perfectly fine/normal on Krypton, it wasn't a "burden", it was their natural environment.

If they were not inherently powerful they would not gain the powers though.

Yes they evolved on Krypton but if you put a human on Krypton when he was a baby, is he now going to become powerful and be able to survive on Krypton? No, he does not have the genetics to do so. He is not Kryptonian no matter what you do.

They had a advanced and superior gene pool vs humans. They could not just show up to earth and have powers if they did not have that.

There is no denying they were a extremely advanced and powerful civilization .

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting on the quote about Solar battery

Still waiting on our admission that atmosphere plays a significant role in their powers not just YSR. We see this undeniably displayed on Zod's ship once Kal starts breathing earth atmosphere.

Quotes were posted from the film and the film wiki was posted, you ignored both because they prove you wrong.

HYG again:

Do tell how Faora regained her super-strength then when the atmospherics changed, yet she was breathing a Kryptonian atmosphere via mask and somehow the [Earth]Sun's radiation didn't get into the ship? LOL! And before you go "prove the Kryptonians weren't powered up on the ship!" again, we already covered that, Lois blasted one and they didn't have the strength to tear through doors to get at her until after Jor-El messed with the ship and we for sure know Kal wasn't powered up.

Originally posted by Robtard
But it's not. Kryptonians have the capability to gain powers, if certain conditions are met. Not: they have powers unless those powers are robbed from them.

Yeah, they're denser. Harsh to humans, not harsh to Kryptonians who evolved there. The bottom of the ocean is "harsh" to humans, since we're not adapted to that environment.

You're looking at it backwards now. They were perfectly fine/normal on Krypton, it wasn't a "burden", it was their natural environment.

This is why I know you haven't read the histories of the characters in question.

not only were Kryptonians originally powerful in general and not just on earth.. But you also don't realize... that the reason they choose to inhabit Krypton and continue to do so. They had 100,000 years of expansion and exploration. The council were fully aware that they were being weakened by the Red Sun and the atmosphere was not ideal for them. In fact, they wanted it this way to prevent Kryptonians from abusing their powers... Which happened and why they decided it was best they all stay living on Krypton. The council was fully aware this was their natural environment nor their desired one.

You seem to be not understanding the fact that they don't need to just be near a YS to have powers far far greater than a human. An ideal atmosphere can also give them powers. You seem to be under the impression they are normal human unless near a yellow sun and that couldn't be further from the truth.

It is true, as I stated earlier they did not have powers on their ship, even after the Atmosphere was changed. My guess was they had not soaked up enough sun to sustain their brief time on earth. Kal had and as soon as the atmosphere changed he instatnly had his powers. As noted when Clark gets his powers back, the person working on him trying to extract the codex starts grabbing his neck much like Clark did when he could not breath, earths atmosphere was toxic to them.

By comics standpoint, some solar systems and stars gave them more power then our yellow sun.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If they were not inherently powerful they would not gain the powers though.

Yes they evolved on Krypton but if you put a human on Krypton when he was a baby, is he now going to become powerful and be able to survive on Krypton? No, he does not have the genetics to do so. He is not Kryptonian no matter what you do.

They had a advanced and superior gene pool vs humans. They could not just show up to earth and have powers if they did not have that.

There is no denying they were a extremely advanced and powerful civilization .

Having "solar cells" is the reason they gain powers under the correct conditions.

Because humans don't have solar cells that can utilize Red Solar Radiation for superpowers. Humans don't have solar cells at all.

Well yes, I would call having solar cells that grant you super-powers under the right conditions as "superior" genetics to not having them.

I've never said to the contrary.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quotes were posted from the film and the film wiki was posted, you ignored both because they prove you wrong.

HYG again:

Do tell how Faora regained her super-strength then when the atmospherics changed, yet she was breathing a Kryptonian atmosphere via mask and somehow the [Earth]Sun's radiation didn't get into the ship? LOL! And before you go "prove the Kryptonians weren't powered up on the ship!" again, we already covered that, Lois blasted one and they didn't have the strength to tear through doors to get at her until after Jor-El messed with the ship and we for sure know Kal wasn't powered up.

You didn't post a single quote.. NOT ONE that said Kal is a solar battery. Why do you go ahead and BOLD the quote that says this since you keep claiming you have. You think your quotes prove me wrong.. they actually prove me right.

The scene is right there and it alludes you... One of them was shot by a similar gun as the one shot by a council member who was killed. That same gun fired on Zod's ship AFTER the atmosphere was changed didn't kill a Kryptonian. Did you forget that part?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is why I know you haven't read the histories of the characters in question.

not only were Kryptonians originally powerful in general and not just on earth.. But you also don't realize... that the reason they choose to inhabit Krypton and continue to do so. They had 100,000 years of expansion and exploration. The council were fully aware that they were being weakened by the Red Sun and the atmosphere was not ideal for them. In fact, they wanted it this way to prevent Kryptonians from abusing their powers... Which happened and why they decided it was best they all stay living on Krypton. The council was fully aware this was their natural environment nor their desired one.

You seem to be not understanding the fact that they don't need to just be near a YS to have powers far far greater than a human. An ideal atmosphere can also give them powers. You seem to be under the impression they are normal human unless near a yellow sun and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Please spare us, we've already established that you're not some Superman guru.

But as you said to me when I showed how you were wrong with comic material after you mentioned the comics:

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is movies only.. and we're talking about ReBoot Superman movie here.

You've also dodged my question again. LOL.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You didn't post a single quote.. NOT ONE that said Kal is a solar battery. Why do you go ahead and BOLD the quote that says this since you keep claiming you have. You think your quotes prove me wrong.. they actually prove me right.

The scene is right there and it alludes you... One of them was shot by a similar gun as the one shot by a council member who was killed. That same gun fired on Zod's ship AFTER the atmosphere was changed didn't kill a Kryptonian. Did you forget that part?

LoL, blantant trolling, pretending like I haven't already posted this several times now:

"Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: Link

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur

Nice dodge again. How did Faora get her powers by being on Zod's ship, breathing in Kryptonian "air" and according to you, not being exposed to any YSR?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It is true, as I stated earlier they did not have powers on their ship, even after the Atmosphere was changed. My guess was they had not soaked up enough sun to sustain their brief time on earth. Kal had and as soon as the atmosphere changed he instatnly had his powers. As noted when Clark gets his powers back, the person working on him trying to extract the codex starts grabbing his neck much like Clark did when he could not breath, earths atmosphere was toxic to them.

You're forgetting a scene, brah: They did have powers on the ship after the atmosphere was changed, Faora tore through Kryptonian ship metal when trying to kill Lois, iirc.

I'd post a screen-shot, but at work.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're forgetting a scene, brah: They did have powers on the ship after the atmosphere was changed, Faora tore through Kryptonian ship metal when trying to kill Lois, iirc.

I'd post a screen-shot, but at work.

I think you are mixing things up. Faora didn't do that, nor was she involved in that ship battle. One of the soldiers came after Lois and Jor El told her to duck, and Lois overpowered her and got away safely.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I think you are mixing things up. Faora didn't do that, nor was she involved in that ship battle. One of the soldiers came after Lois and Jor El told her to duck, and Lois overpowered her and got away safely.

Will have to check when I get home then. How did Lois escape-pod get damaged then?

Edit, found it:

YouTube video

@ 00:48 she punches through the back of the pod's wall, damaging it and why Lois needed rescuing after the pod lost control.

Edit 2: Might not be Faora but another female Kryptonian actually, hard to tell the exact details of her face

Originally posted by Robtard
Will have to check when I get home then. How did Lois escape pod get damaged then?

From being shot with a weapon right before it exited.

Here is the whole scene.

YouTube video

I was looking for the scene myself and editing while you posted. Look at 00:48, she punches through the back wall of the pod like it's cardboard.

You can then see the ruptured hole which is causing it to lose control from 1:00 to 1:04:

Originally posted by Robtard
Will have to check when I get home then. How did Lois escape-pod get damaged then?

Edit, found it:

YouTube video

@ 00:48 she punches through the back of the pod's wall, damaging it and why Lois needed rescuing after the pod lost control.

Edit 2: Might not be Faora but another female Kryptonian actually, hard to tell the exact details of her face

The damage shown that was affecting the pod was shown right after it exited the ship from the blasts that hit the outside before it exited. She did not have powers otherwise should would not have been kicked and overpowered by Lois.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're forgetting a scene, brah: They did have powers on the ship after the atmosphere was changed, Faora tore through Kryptonian ship metal when trying to kill Lois, iirc.

I'd post a screen-shot, but at work.

That is how.. the earth atmosphere was changed ... That's how the person NOT faora punched through metal. Another example of how changing the ship to earth atmosphere gave them added strength. Thanks for another example I had forgotten.

Blatant TROLLING on your part. NOT ONE.. NOT ONE of the quotes you keep posting calls Kal a Solar battery. Not a single one. Nice trolling Rob.

Well that must mean Kryptonian metalworking is for shit as she easily punched through it and and had it sparking like crazy.

Faora also seemed to tank getting blasted twice in the chest.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The damage shown that was affecting the pod was shown right after it exited the ship from the blasts that hit the outside before it exited. She did not have powers otherwise should would not have been kicked and overpowered by Lois.

Look what I just posted, she was strong enough to punch through the pod and you see the rupture as it exits. The kick was stupid PIS

BTW it was the shot she fired at it that damaged it. Her punch only proves my point about how nourishing earth's atmosphere is... Nice job Rob 🙂

Originally posted by KingD19
Well that must mean Kryptonian metalworking is for shit as she easily punched through it and and had it sparking like crazy.

Faora also seemed to tank getting blasted twice in the chest.

A house can be brick on the outside but the walls on the inside are made of flimsily material. I can punch a brick wall and break my hand, but I can punch a whole in the wall with some brass knuckles little more then sore hand, she had her armor on.

The grenades Faora tanked where on her armor and when she had all her powers.