Physical Strength Contest: Superman VS Kurse VS Thor VS The Hulk

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The suits and mask had EVERYTHING to do with stopping exposure. Like the post on the top of the page illustrates. The suits and masks were preventing exposure. The director went out of his way to illustrate this point and showing Zod and Faora exposed and what that looked like for the first time. He oouldn't have been more clear. Just like he was clear when Zod learned he could do something new... i.e. HV vision and flying. All the stuff prior... speed... strength.. jumping were not shown to be a surprise in anyway. They were a given.. they were expected once they were removed from an environment making them weaker. Once you're removed from an environment constantly making you weaker... you get stronger... common sense and logic dictates that.

Zod learned how to access his heat vision anti gravity powers before he took his suit off. Watch the movie..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The suits and mask had EVERYTHING to do with stopping exposure. Like the post on the top of the page illustrates. The suits and masks were preventing exposure. The director went out of his way to illustrate this point and showing Zod and Faora exposed and what that looked like for the first time. He oouldn't have been more clear. Just like he was clear when Zod learned he could do something new... i.e. HV vision and flying. All the stuff prior... speed... strength.. jumping were not shown to be a surprise in anyway. They were a given.. they were expected once they were removed from an environment making them weaker. Once you're removed from an environment constantly making you weaker... you get stronger... common sense and logic dictates that.

LoL, dude. You’re one stubborn guy (or are you just trollololing?). We’ve already established that Yellow Solar Radiation is what powers them and they clearly were powered while fully suited only hours after leaving Zod’s ship(where they’re not powered if it’s working correctly). So the suit does nothing to block YSR, it just protects them from Earth’s environment/sensory overload.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. You’re one stubborn guy (or are you just trollololing?). We’ve already established that Yellow Solar Radiation is what powers them and they clearly were powered while fully suited only hours after leaving Zod’s ship(where they’re not powered if it’s working correctly). So the suit does nothing to block YSR, it just protects them from Earth’s environment/sensory overload.

I sense his Quan boy spirit within.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Zod learned how to access his heat vision anti gravity powers before he took his suit off. Watch the movie..

Yes once he had his mask off for a sustained period of time... So he was no doubt absorbing radiation by that point. My contention is that when they had their mask on and armor... it wasn't coming through. did you watch the movie?

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. You’re one stubborn guy (or are you just trollololing?). We’ve already established that Yellow Solar Radiation is what powers them and they clearly were powered while fully suited only hours after leaving Zod’s ship(where they’re not powered if it’s working correctly). So the suit does nothing to block YSR, it just protects them from Earth’s environment/sensory overload.

You have ZERO proof for your claims.. Like literally NONE. Prove they were powered up for the brief time they left their ship. Prove that the suit and mask weren't keep YSR out. You have zero proof for each of those claims

What we know is this

1. The suits were designed to keep out earth atmosphere.. The Atmosphere that Jor_El was going on about how important it was and how he's stronger than he could've ever imagined.

2. The director showed us what it was like once they removed their protection.. He went out of his way to slap us in the face with that

3. He also went out of his way to slap us with what it was like to learn new powers and to experience them for the first time. We see this with Zod and Superman. If he felt like the strength, speed and jumping Faora and Nam did were new he could've done so.. he didn't.

Lastly, and there is no getting around this proof it was the atmosphere that was nourishing. When superman was on his ship.. he couldn't even break free from the restraints. The RED SUN environment made him as weak as a human. Once the ATMOSPHERE was changed.. he broke free easily. YET HE WAS EXPOSED TO NO SUNLIGHT AT ALL. Let me say that again.. AT ALL. Yet he easily then broke free once he breathed a nourishing atmosphere. Proving how important the masks were and how it gave them powers when not using it. More powers. I'll accept your concession on this point now.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You have ZERO proof for your claims.. Like literally NONE. Prove they were powered up for the brief time they left their ship. Prove that the suit and mask weren't keep YSR out. You have zero proof for each of those claims

What we know is this

1. The suits were designed to keep out earth atmosphere.. The Atmosphere that Jor_El was going on about how important it was and how he's stronger than he could've ever imagined.

2. The director showed us what it was like once they removed their protection.. He went out of his way to slap us in the face with that

3. He also went out of his way to slap us with what it was like to learn new powers and to experience them for the first time. We see this with Zod and Superman. If he felt like the strength, speed and jumping Faora and Nam did were new he could've done so.. he didn't.

Lastly, and there is no getting around this proof it was the atmosphere that was nourishing. When superman was on his ship.. he couldn't even break free from the restraints. The RED SUN environment made him as weak as a human. Once the ATMOSPHERE was changed.. he broke free easily. YET HE WAS EXPOSED TO NO SUNLIGHT AT ALL. Let me say that again.. AT ALL. Yet he easily then broke free once he breathed a nourishing atmosphere. Proving how important the masks were and how it gave them powers when not using it. More powers. I'll accept your concession on this point now.

Jor-El directly stated on screen that it was the Sun's radiation that was strengthening Superman's muscles, not the atmosphere. The suits were preventing exposure to the foreign atmosphere, not the light. Once Zod learned how to focus his sense he had no trouble with the atmosphere.

Superman was depowered because his body had never adapted to the Kryptonian air, he was coughing violently and spitting blood ffs.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You have ZERO proof for your claims.. Like literally NONE. Prove they were powered up for the brief time they left their ship. Prove that the suit and mask weren't keep YSR out. You have zero proof for each of those claims

What we know is this

1. The suits were designed to keep out earth atmosphere.. The Atmosphere that Jor_El was going on about how important it was and how he's stronger than he could've ever imagined.

2. The director showed us what it was like once they removed their protection.. He went out of his way to slap us in the face with that

3. He also went out of his way to slap us with what it was like to learn new powers and to experience them for the first time. We see this with Zod and Superman. If he felt like the strength, speed and jumping Faora and Nam did were new he could've done so.. he didn't.

Lastly, and there is no getting around this proof it was the atmosphere that was nourishing. When superman was on his ship.. he couldn't even break free from the restraints. The RED SUN environment made him as weak as a human. Once the ATMOSPHERE was changed.. he broke free easily. YET HE WAS EXPOSED TO NO SUNLIGHT AT ALL. Let me say that again.. AT ALL. Yet he easily then broke free once he breathed a nourishing atmosphere. Proving how important the masks were and how it gave them powers when not using it. More powers. I'll accept your concession on this point now.

Like talking to a brick wall. Asking for proof of what we explicitly are shown. We'll, let us see. They leave Zod's ship where they are not powered up, land on Earth, are here for a short time and Nam-Ek and Faora are powerful enough to trade blows with Superman, who has been on Earth for 33 years. <--- Proven for a 3rd time now btw

The proof is that YSR is what gives them powers(This is basic Superman knowledge btw. which I showed you). So if the suits blocked YSR, they wouldn't be super-powered. This is not a hard thing to grasp.

Radiation can pass through solid objects. Explain how Superman/Zod have powers in outer space if Earth's environment is what empowers them and not YSR?

I do hope you're just trollololing and really are not this stubborn irl.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes once he had his mask off for a sustained period of time... So he was no doubt absorbing radiation by that point. My contention is that when they had their mask on and armor... it wasn't coming through. did you watch the movie?

Except it was coming through. Obviously Zod wasn't gonna be an idiot and shoot HV through his mask..common sense.

Originally posted by Robtard
Like talking to a brick wall. Asking for proof of what we explicitly are shown. We'll, let us see. They leave Zod's ship where they are not powered up, land on Earth, are here for a short time and Nam-Ek and Faora are powerful enough to trade blows with Superman, who has been on Earth for 33 years. <--- Proven for a 3rd time now btw

The proof is that YSR is what gives them powers(This is basic Superman knowledge btw. which I showed you). So if the suits blocked YSR, they wouldn't be super-powered. This is not a hard thing to grasp.

Radiation can pass through solid objects. Explain how Superman/Zod have powers in outer space if Earth's environment is what empowers them and not YSR?

I do hope you're just trollololing and really are not this stubborn irl.

You totally and completely didn't address how superman was totally depowered being in contact with a red sun atmosphere.. then after experiencing earth atmosphere and WITH NO SUNLIGHT.. he was immediately able to break the cuffs. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the atmosphere plays a HUGE role in the nourishment and giving them powers. He got NO sunlight AT ALL and yet was powered back up instantly once he breathed earth atmosphere.

You have ZERO proof they weren't powered up... That is a total and complete lie. You have ZERO proof that they couldn't jump and use their speed normally just as that. All you saw of them before that were other kryptonians IN A WEAKENED STATE on Krypton. You saying they weren't able to do those things before ISN'T PROOF. We see beyond a shadow of a doubt they get powered up via the atmosphere... just like superman did once he breathed earth's air.

You have no idea about basic superman knowledge AT ALL. If you did, you would know that all kryptonians as originally written all had powers. Them being rectonned over the years is just that a rectonned that can continue to change. As originally written they all have powers JUST LIKE I SAID and clearly you were unaware of

These aren't just solid objects though are they. They are suits developed by an advanced civilization to keep out other atmospheres and the environment. Yet, you think keep YSR was beyond them to keep out.. Please.

Now either address the first paragraph or I'll accept your concession. Superman was depowered totally and unable to free himself because he was weakened via Red Sun.. Once he breathed earth's atmosphere he was able to INSTATNLY break free and yet had no yellow sun to absorb. That is what you call proof... you haven't listed one thing yet that is actual proof.. only your opinion.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Jor-El directly stated on screen that it was the Sun's radiation that was strengthening Superman's muscles, not the atmosphere. The suits were preventing exposure to the foreign atmosphere, not the light. Once Zod learned how to focus his sense he had no trouble with the atmosphere.

Superman was depowered because his body had never adapted to the Kryptonian air, he was coughing violently and spitting blood ffs.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Jor-El EXPLICTLY states that the earth atmosphere is nourishing. he wasn't exposed to ANY sunlight ONLY earth atmosphere and INSANTLY broke free. That proves it had more to do with atmosphere, or at the very least, a lot to do with atmosphere. It couldn't be any more clear. To deny that scene is just being obtuse to be obtuse. The atmosphere had a great deal to do with their powers. Guess what.. they were wearing masks the entire time and still able to do stuff. ONLY after Zod was without a mask and breathing the earth atmosphere was he able to get even more powers.

How about that. I leave this discussion for a few days and now it's completely derailed. Not worth getting back in to the debate.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You totally and completely didn't address how superman was totally depowered being in contact with a red sun atmosphere.. then after experiencing earth atmosphere and WITH NO SUNLIGHT.. he was immediately able to break the cuffs. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the atmosphere plays a HUGE role in the nourishment and giving them powers. He got NO sunlight AT ALL and yet was powered back up instantly once he breathed earth atmosphere.

You have ZERO proof they weren't powered up... That is a total and complete lie. You have ZERO proof that they couldn't jump and use their speed normally just as that. All you saw of them before that were other kryptonians IN A WEAKENED STATE on Krypton. You saying they weren't able to do those things before ISN'T PROOF. We see beyond a shadow of a doubt they get powered up via the atmosphere... just like superman did once he breathed earth's air.

You have no idea about basic superman knowledge AT ALL. If you did, you would know that all kryptonians as originally written all had powers. Them being rectonned over the years is just that a rectonned that can continue to change. As originally written they all have powers JUST LIKE I SAID and clearly you were unaware of

These aren't just solid objects though are they. They are suits developed by an advanced civilization to keep out other atmospheres and the environment. Yet, you think keep YSR was beyond them to keep out.. Please.

Now either address the first paragraph or I'll accept your concession. Superman was depowered totally and unable to free himself because he was weakened via Red Sun.. Once he breathed earth's atmosphere he was able to INSTATNLY break free and yet had no yellow sun to absorb. That is what you call proof... you haven't listed one thing yet that is actual proof.. only your opinion.

Actually I did, you realize that Zod’s ship being in Earth’s orbit would have been in direct contact with the Sun’s radiation, YSR. So after Louis/Jor did their thing to change the ship, all the Kryptonians powered up.

Actually, I have the best proof possible showing that the Krptonians weren’t powered up while on Zod’s ship (before Jor-El showed Louis how to mess shit up); it’s the film itself: Louis easily killed one or two and they couldn’t break through the doors to get to her. “Weakened state” is a misnomer. They’re just normal on Krypton.

LoL. This is why I had to explain the comics to you towards the bottom of Page 5: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=606975&pagenumber=5 But you seem to be trolling with trying to flip your foul-up on me now

Why would they want the suits to block YSR when it gives them powers? Yellow Solar Radiation is what give them powers. See: “Possess natural solar cells”. Not sure why you can’t deal with this.

And how do they have powers in space then if Earth’s environment is what gives them powers?

Originally posted by Robtard
Actually I did, you realize that Zod’s ship being in Earth’s orbit would have been in direct contact with the Sun’s radiation, YSR. So after Louis/Jor did their thing to change the ship, all the Kryptonians powered up.

Actually, I have the best proof possible showing that the Krptonians weren’t powered up while on Zod’s ship (before Jor-El showed Louis how to mess shit up); it’s the film itself: Louis easily killed one or two and they couldn’t break through the doors to get to her. “Weakened state” is a misnomer. They’re just normal on Krypton.

LoL. This is why I had to explain the comics to you towards the bottom of Page 5: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=606975&pagenumber=5 But you seem to be trolling with trying to flip your foul-up on me now

Why would they want the suits to block YSR when it gives them powers? Yellow Solar Radiation is what give them powers. See: “Possess natural solar cells”. Not sure why you can’t deal with this.

And how do they have powers in space then if Earth’s environment is what gives them powers?

Totally and completely false with NO proof to back up said claim. Now the ship was near the sun and thus is somehow was by the ship. What a baseless claim. You STILL have yet to address superman NOT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THE SUN AT ALL OR ABSORBING ANY YSR.. Yet was able to break free WITH ONLY BREATHING THE ATMOSPHERE. He wasn't in contact WITH ANY YSR on the ship and you have zero proof he was or that the ship absorbed any YSR.

Further, if just being in orbit was enough to get YSR THROUGH THE SHIP with ease... Than him being exposed to Red Sun would've been counteracted by that and he wouldn't have been depowered and in a weakened state. That proves no YSR was passing through his ship.

Now either explain how he was able to do with without any YSR or I'll accept you avoiding this as your concession. Jor-El goes out of his way to explain how nourishing the earth atmosphere is.. Then the director shows us KAL simply breathing it and breaking free... Yet somehow you wanna claim earth atmosphere has nothing to do with their powers LOL.

Why are you posing a question to me I already posed to you. I asked how he had powers in space not near any YSR... Your answer.. cause he was a solar battery and he can absorb them into his cells and it powers him up until he's deprived for awhile. Why wouldn't or couldn't the same thing be true of earth atmosphere? He stores enough and can do so. I'll use your answer to answer my question you repeated to me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Actually I did, you realize that Zod’s ship being in Earth’s orbit would have been in direct contact with the Sun’s radiation, YSR. So after Louis/Jor did their thing to change the ship, all the Kryptonians powered up.

Actually, I have the best proof possible showing that the Krptonians weren’t powered up while on Zod’s ship (before Jor-El showed Louis how to mess shit up); it’s the film itself: Louis easily killed one or two and they couldn’t break through the doors to get to her. “Weakened state” is a misnomer. They’re just normal on Krypton.

LoL. This is why I had to explain the comics to you towards the bottom of Page 5: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=606975&pagenumber=5 But you seem to be trolling with trying to flip your foul-up on me now

Why would they want the suits to block YSR when it gives them powers? Yellow Solar Radiation is what give them powers. See: “Possess natural solar cells”. Not sure why you can’t deal with this.

And how do they have powers in space then if Earth’s environment is what gives them powers?

He wont address the points he just keeps making up his own claims that don't represent movie facts.

Ha, I said "Louis" and not "Lois".

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He wont address the points he just keeps making up his own claims that don't represent movie facts.

I'm the only one who has given proof... There is no getting around the atmosphere scene on Zod's ship. The director couldn't have been more clear. The atmosphere plays a HUGE rule in their powers As soon as he breathed earth's air... He broke free.. Before that.. the Red Sun Environment completely weakened him to human levels. Which is just as I said... Kryptonians were weakened on Krypton and constantly in an environment the opposite of nurturing.. it was weakening

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm the only one who has given proof... There is no getting around the atmosphere scene on Zod's ship. The director couldn't have been more clear. The atmosphere plays a HUGE rule in their powers As soon as he breathed earth's air... He broke free.. Before that.. the Red Sun Environment completely weakened him to human levels. Which is just as I said... Kryptonians were weakened on Krypton and constantly in an environment the opposite of nurturing.. it was weakening

Ok so what you are saying is that they were strong race and the red sun was weakening them on their home world? Also when was he exposed to the red sun?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This couldn't be further from the truth. Jor-El EXPLICTLY states that the earth atmosphere is nourishing. he wasn't exposed to ANY sunlight ONLY earth atmosphere and INSANTLY broke free. That proves it had more to do with atmosphere, or at the very least, a lot to do with atmosphere. It couldn't be any more clear. To deny that scene is just being obtuse to be obtuse. The atmosphere had a great deal to do with their powers. Guess what.. they were wearing masks the entire time and still able to do stuff. ONLY after Zod was without a mask and breathing the earth atmosphere was he able to get even more powers.

Yes, it's nourishing, but before that he clearly states sun light is what gives Clark his physical strength, this is perfectly in-line with the comics. Superman's body is like a solar battery, he doesn't need to have constant sunlight, he doesn't lose his powers at night. No one's arguing that the Kryptonian atmosphere wasn't poisoning him, but it doesn't rob him of his powers fully. He smashed the World Engine despite breathing Kryptonian air, and the other Kryptonians weren't weakened by it at all. Superman's weakness is because his body never adapted to the shitty Kryptonian atmosphere, Zod makes that pretty clear. Superman wasn't wearing a mask, and yet it took him 33 years to learn how to fly, it didn't have anything to do with the air, it was a matter of skill and focus, the movie makes that painfully obvious.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, it's nourishing, but before that he clearly states sun light is what gives Clark his physical strength, this is perfectly in-line with the comics. Superman's body is like a solar battery, he doesn't need to have constant sunlight, he doesn't lose his powers at night. No one's arguing that the Kryptonian atmosphere wasn't poisoning him, but it doesn't rob him of his powers fully. He smashed the World Engine despite breathing Kryptonian air, and the other Kryptonians weren't weakened by it at all. Superman's weakness is because his body never adapted to the shitty Kryptonian atmosphere, Zod makes that pretty clear. Superman wasn't wearing a mask, and yet it took him 33 years to learn how to fly, it didn't have anything to do with the air, it was a matter of skill and focus, the movie makes that painfully obvious.

that is totally and completely your pure conjecture. It CLEARLY does.. He couldn't break the handcuffs at all. He was as strong as a normal human. If he still had solar power... it would've been combating the Red Sun and he would've been able to break free of mere restraints. He couldn't. He was clearly severely weakened under a red sun atmosphere. AS SOON AS.. He breathed earth Atmosphere.... he instantly broke free.

Further, not one time in the movie was it mentioned that Superman is a solar battery. That is a comic book thing. So to use speculation about why something happened.. and base that on something that was never even said in the movies is a HUGE stretch.

It didn't take him 33 years to fly... He couldn't flown well before then.. He just never wanted to test his limits or feared to do so.

That's where you're totally wrong.. The world engine feat proves my point further. It was merely making the earth atmosphere likeKrypton.. but it clearly had a long way to go. He was obviously coughing and struggling with it.. but luckily he still had solar power to draw on.. The sun was still out. This shows that some clear atmosphere and solar power can combat Red Sun atmosphere poisoning. He was able to get the job done. When he had no solar energy to draw on or semi clear atmosphere to nourish him.. He couldn't even break free of cuffs.

He didn't have handcuffs on the ship, watch the movie...also he was never exposed to red sun.. You have literally shown you have no clue what you are talking about. Lmao😂