Clubber Lane runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Psychotron
No light or middleweight can take Klitchko. Greb and Sugar would get wrecked by any good heavyweights from the last 30 years.

That's assuming what Kotor says is true. It seems to me that Rocky IV picks up after III.

"It is theorized that one of the reasons Paret died was that he was vulnerable due to the beatings he took in his previous three fights, all of which happened within twelve months of each other. New York State boxing authorities were criticized for giving Paret clearance to fight just several months after the Fullmer fight" So yeah.

That was the point of Rocky III, he had lost his edge in the beginning, which is why Clubber defeated him, but after getting hungry again, and training with Apollo, he took him down easy. Rocky IV wasn't about that at all, and Rocky was more determined than ever. Not to mention stronger, tougher, more skilled, and Drago still took him to his limits and gave him brain damage. Rocky from Rocky IV would take down Apollo in maybe 6-7 rounds.

And based on what did they hurt Rocky more? Based on Rocky taking them? Based on Rocky mocking Lang and asking for more?

Of course he would and he should... He'd outweigh them by almost a 100 pounds. That isn't the least bit impressive. What you go by is their pound 4 pound standings or where they rank per division all time. He's nowhere to be found on either list. Which is the point, he's just meh and has faced meh opposition. As I stated, he's not even the best brother of the two.

I agree and I said that's assuming what he said is true. As you've seen I've questioned that myself. Even if it's right after Apollo would've been out of the ring for roughly 2 years, which is a long time for a fighter. You don't seem to understand how physically demanding the sport is and you don't just half ass train for a few weeks. Doesn't work that way. If it was 7 years it's a non feat as far as I'm concerned.

Many things are theorized but that doesn't make them fact. Even if that is a fact, his fight schedule was no different than anybody else back then. He didn't fight excessively or something. Point is, that's a current trained fighter.. a champion who was killed. I can cite other examples as well. Point is, you don't have to hit that hard to kill somebody.

You're not understanding something... Rocky took a worse beating from Apollo than he did Drago. Drago was a back and forth kinda fight with Drago getting the slightly better of the action. Rocky was getting humiliated and destroyed in a one side curbing for the majority of the fight. As Mickey said "It should've killed you" In no way shape or form was Rocky tougher in 4 than 2... you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not saying he wasn't tough, he was, but he wasn't as tough is my point.

Sorry but Lang has as vastly superior record to Drago.. in fact it shits all over his.

What is Lang's "vastly superior record"?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course he would and he should... He'd outweigh them by almost a 100 pounds. That isn't the least bit impressive. What you go by is their pound 4 pound standings or where they rank per division all time. He's nowhere to be found on either list. Which is the point, he's just meh and has faced meh opposition. As I stated, he's not even the best brother of the two.

I agree and I said that's assuming what he said is true. As you've seen I've questioned that myself. Even if it's right after Apollo would've been out of the ring for roughly 2 years, which is a long time for a fighter. You don't seem to understand how physically demanding the sport is and you don't just half ass train for a few weeks. Doesn't work that way. If it was 7 years it's a non feat as far as I'm concerned.

Many things are theorized but that doesn't make them fact. Even if that is a fact, his fight schedule was no different than anybody else back then. He didn't fight excessively or something. Point is, that's a current trained fighter.. a champion who was killed. I can cite other examples as well. Point is, you don't have to hit that hard to kill somebody.

You're not understanding something... Rocky took a worse beating from Apollo than he did Drago. Drago was a back and forth kinda fight with Drago getting the slightly better of the action. Rocky was getting humiliated and destroyed in a one side curbing for the majority of the fight. As Mickey said "It should've killed you" In no way shape or form was Rocky tougher in 4 than 2... you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not saying he wasn't tough, he was, but he wasn't as tough is my point.

Sorry but Lang has as vastly superior record to Drago.. in fact it shits all over his.

Who cares? All that matters is who'd win in a fight, not pound for pound bullshit.

I've done kickboxing, so I am aware of the demands of the sport. The fact is that he still kept in shape and gave Rocky a good match so he wasn't that far gone by the time he faced Drago.

Maybe in real life, but that scene was there for a reason. It was there to hype up Drago as the biggest and baddest Rocky opponent yet.

Wrong. Apollo's punches are nowhere near as devastating as Drago's. Sure, Apollo was getting the better of him, but Rocky's body and training were on a completely different level by Rocky IV. Not to mention that Rocky knows his style inside and out by now.

So did Apollo. It doesn't matter when Drago is stronger, bigger, and has much better stamina. Lang would gas in a few rounds and get raped by Ivan. Lang never defeated anyone of note except Rocky, but there were circumstances to that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What is Lang's "vastly superior record"?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, it is. Show me another boxer who just went pro who could wreck an Ali-level boxer in 2 rounds.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Based on what? He was still capable of giving Rocky a decent match.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Again, based on what? Lang has 0 feats to suggest such a thing. And being out of practice doesn't mean his durability suddenly dropped.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The point of that scene and the Apollo beatdown was to show the viewer that Drago was the toughest opponent Rocky has ever had. There's no denying that his 2150 PSI punch is superhuman. Since Lang has no feats to compare we must assume he hits harder than Lang.

Also it was Apollo’s pride that killed him more than Drago’s power.

Originally posted by Psychotron
This isn't about size, it's about feats. Drago killed Apollo, and recorded a superhuman punch, Lang didn't shit.

Sounds like a lot to me.

Originally posted by Psychotron
How could his prime be Part II? He is in noticeably better shape in Rocky III and IV, has better training, and faced stronger opponents.

IV he is about 9 years older. Yes he trains like hell and is in great shape. But he took the most damage in part II. If you deny that then we are just going to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
that makes zero sense though... he shows up with a BLACK EYE.. in the same place Apollo was shown freeze frame hitting him. Then he shows up with a hat and when asked where he got it.. "same friend". He got the hat for beauty which they said before they are going to spar.

Apollo had a "vastly superior" record to Drago too and look what happened to him in just two rounds. Records doesn't really count for anything in a fight. Drago would destroy Lang.

Originally posted by Kotor3
How you fine this impressive when this Apollo was more like the Ali that fought Larry Holmes, is beyond me.

I already answered this multiple times.

Lang destroyed a Rocky that was actively beating other fighters, was an active champion in two rounds. His beating was so bad that it destroyed Rocky’s mental state as a fighter and made him scared of Lang.

No it wasn’t. The point of the scene was to show that Drago was heartless and wanted nothing but to prove his superiority and gain a win. This is further shown later on in the movie when he tells the Russian politicians that he fights for himself and no one else.

Also it was Apollo’s pride that killed him more than Drago’s power.

Lang:
• Destroyed Rocky in 2 rounds
• Destroyed his mental state as a fighter
• Killed Rocky’s manager
• Made Rocky scared of him
• Made Rocky trained totally different and change his fighting style
• Made Rocky resort to the Ali rope a dope.

Sounds like a lot to me.

Factual. The worst beating Rocky took was in part II. As his manger stated in III he should have died. Rocky won one round in the fight. Rocky III he regressed as a fighter and had to trained himself back in shape as he was before and gain the eye of the Tiger.

IV he is about 9 years older. Yes he trains like hell and is in great shape. But he took the most damage in part II. If you deny that then we are just going to agree to disagree.

Apollo still kept in shape, and you have to remember the point of the scene was to show us that Drago was Rocky's strongest opponent yet.

Answer it again, then.

Wait just a minute, Lang destroyed a Rocky who was out of shape, a Rocky who had lost his fire. Not to mention that Mick was just killed. Rocky was in no state to fight then. When Rocky came back in shape and properly motivated he took everything Lang had and put him on his ass.

It's not just that. This movie was all about the American underdog going up against a Russian Superman, they had to demonstrate his power before the fight somehow. They also had to give Rocky a reason to fight, so they killed two birds with one stone. Don't ignore the PSI punch, that's the single best striking feat in any Rocky movie.

Yeah, a lot of circumstances. A properly prepped Rocky made short work of Lang, he couldn't do that to Drago.

1. Apollo had nowhere near the striking power of Drago.
2. Rocky was nowhere near as experienced and as strong in Rocky II as he was in IV.
3. Mickey isn't all-knowing.
4. Rocky was far more motivated to beat Drago.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Apollo still kept in shape, and you have to remember the point of the scene was to show us that Drago was Rocky's strongest opponent yet.
Answer it again, then.
Wait just a minute, Lang destroyed a Rocky who was out of shape, a Rocky who had lost his fire. Not to mention that Mick was just killed. Rocky was in no state to fight then. When Rocky came back in shape and properly motivated he took everything Lang had and put him on his ass.

Ok, now you are just stating things that do not make any sense.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's not just that. This movie was all about the American underdog going up against a Russian Superman, they had to demonstrate his power before the fight somehow. They also had to give Rocky a reason to fight, so they killed two birds with one stone. Don't ignore the PSI punch, that's the single best striking feat in any Rocky movie.

Yeah, a lot of circumstances. A properly prepped Rocky made short work of Lang, he couldn't do that to Drago.

1. Apollo had nowhere near the striking power of Drago.
2. Rocky was nowhere near as experienced and as strong in Rocky II as he was in IV.
3. Mickey isn't all-knowing.
4. Rocky was far more motivated to beat Drago.

So, I agree to disagree with you.

Lang got ko'd by Rocky level punches in a few rounds, at best he'd last two rounds against Drago.

Originally posted by Kotor3
His feats more than prove he is a beast who would be a formidable foe for Drago.

Negative

Originally posted by Lestov16
Negative

But he isn't wrong, Lang has zero feats to suggest he'd be a tough opponent for Drago.

Originally posted by Psychotron
When Rocky came back in shape and properly motivated he took everything Lang had

Nope

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
that makes zero sense though... he shows up with a BLACK EYE.. in the same place Apollo was shown freeze frame hitting him. Then he shows up with a hat and when asked where he got it.. "same friend". He got the hat for beauty which they said before they are going to spar.

That would put 3 years between Rocky III and IV.

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope

LOL. Like I said, seems like a few select people (like you) have seen a secret alternative version of the movie that the rest of us have seen. Rocky came back and kicked Lang's ass in the rematch.

Quit living in denial.

Originally posted by Star428
Rocky came back and kicked Lang's ass in the rematch.

Nope

Your elegant posts aside, Rocky beat Lang rather quickly compared to the other people he's faced.

Never disputed by me

Rocky kick Lang’s ass in the second fight.

Let us examine the fight.
• Round 1 – Rocky hits Lang with everything he has.
o Lang lands no hits
o Rocky is unable to knock down Lang
o Rocky punches does nothing but piss Lang off
• Round 2 – Lang destroys Rocky
o Knocks him down 2 times before the round is over
o Rocky is told that he cannot go toe to toe with Lang by Apollo
• Round 3 – Rocky resorts to the rope a dope strategy
o Rocky lets Lang punch himself out while he blocks and doges his hits
o When Lang is tired and weak Rocky unloads on him.

Facts:
• Rocky hits had no effect on a full strength Lang
• Rocky had to change his fighting style in order to compete with Lang
• No opponent Rocky faced required him to change his fighting style and employ as much strategy as he did with Lang.

Rocky kicked Lang’s ass. LOL.