Clubber Lane runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Kotor3
WOW Dude!
Please post my post were I said this " You said Drago could beat Lang head to head yet you say Rocky from the 4th film couldn't even though he beat Drago HEAD TO HEAD."

At the start of the thread you said Lang couldn't beat Drago head to head you then said:

Originally posted by Kotor3
No I don't agree that the Rocky in 4 would destroy Clubber Lang. If he traded punch for punch with Lang he would lost.

I never quoted you word for word yet you seem to think I have, I just summarised your posts up. And I was actually saying you'd said 'You said Drago could beat Lang head to head yet you say Rocky from the 4th film.' You never mentioned Rocky beating Drago.

Originally posted by juggerman
Now that is has been pointed out, I cannot look past it saying "Clubber Lane" in the title. Please request a change!!!!!! 😒

I guess if you didn't read anything on the movie I guess you could think they were saying Lane lol

Originally posted by steverules_2
At the start of the thread you said Lang couldn't beat Drago head to head you then said:

I never quoted you word for word yet you seem to think I have, I just summarised your posts up. And I was actually saying you'd said 'You said Drago could beat Lang head to head yet you say Rocky from the 4th film.' You never mentioned Rocky beating Drago.

As for Rocky IV. Just because he defeated Drago all of a sudden you feel his punching power exceeds Lang. There is nothing to back that up. Rocky was Drago second or really 1st professional fight. Whereas Lang had beaten countless professional fighters as well as Rocky.

The whole premise of Lang as a fighter was that Rocky, not even the hungry Rocky of I and II could face Lang and go punch for punch. Hence why he needed training from Apollo. As for Rocky IV he was older and had not be an active fighter for years.

The biggest point you are forgetting is that it wasn't Rocky's punching power that defeated any of his opponents it was his durability. If you don't agree that Rocky's durability won those fights then it is really nothing more to talk about because we are not going to agree.

Very well

Drago would destroy Lang in a boxing match.

Nah, he very well could, but it certainly isn't a given. He's an amateur fighter who hadn't fought anybody of significance before Rocky. Lang fought his way to the top beating contender after contender and other professionals. The experience and resume difference is extreme

All those "contenders" were featless no-names. I don't think Lang's record was ever mentioned, but we know that Drago record was something like 100-0, all by knockout.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All those "contenders" were featless no-names. I don't think Lang's record was ever mentioned, but we know that Drago record was something like 100-0, all by knockout.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Featless but professionals. Rocky is not a featless character. Thank you for showing us Drago's featless amateur record. His professional record is 0-1.

He may have lost to Rocky, but he lasted far longer than Clubber did.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He may have lost to Rocky, but he lasted far longer than Clubber did.

Originally posted by juggerman
Missed this earlier. That is untrue. In fact, Rocky was in such bad shape his wife called out to have the fight stopped. Not something that happened in his other fights that I recall but please correct me if I'm wrong. We were clearly being shown he was in a bad way

Yeah right, as if a wife being worried proves anything. She just didn't realize he was letting Lang whale on him to tire him out.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Featless but professionals. Rocky is not a featless character. Thank you for showing us Drago's featless amateur record. His professional record is 0-1.

Are you forgetting that he decimated Apollo in just 2 rounds?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah right, as if a wife being worried proves anything. She just didn't realize he was letting Lang whale on him to tire him out.

Are you forgetting that he decimated Apollo in just 2 rounds?

Did you forget that this is Apollo way past his prime who had not been an active fighter for a few years and who did not trained as if he was still a contender?

Still it took two rounds for Drago to take him down.

Look, Drago is portrayed to be a monster hitter. No one is denying that. However, his feats do not help the arguments of those who are stating he would stomp someone like Lang.

Prime Apollo would rock Drago.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah right, as if a wife being worried proves anything. She just didn't realize he was letting Lang whale on him to tire him out.

The movie was clearly showing Rocky in danger. And that was before Rocky stated purposely tiring Lang

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nah, he very well could, but it certainly isn't a given.

I'm a huge Lang supporter but Drago would curb him. He is durable as shit and his stamina would easily tax Lang. Tho Lang hits harder imo, that's not enough to net him the dub

Originally posted by Silent Master
All those "contenders" were featless no-names. I don't think Lang's record was ever mentioned, but we know that Drago record was something like 100-0, all by knockout.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Here is some information:
It seems that many fans assume that when Rocky arrives at his house at the start of the film, he is returning from the sparring session with Apollo Creed (Carl Weathers) which ended Rocky III, and therefore, no time passes between Rocky III and Rocky IV. However, this cannot be so. Early on in the film, Rocky mentions to Adrian (Talia Shire) that it is nearly their ninth anniversary. They got married early in Rocky II, which was set between January 1, 1976 and November 25, 1976. As such, their 9-year anniversary would occur in early-1985. This places the events in Rocky IV roughly five years after the end of Rocky III (which was set in 1979-1980), and approximately 10 years after the original Rocky. Furthermore, we know that Rocky and Adrian were married in early-1976 and we know that the match with Drago takes place on Christmas Day. As such, the time frame of the film is from early-1985 to December 25, 1985.

Rocky (1976): November 25, 1975 - January 1, 1976

Rocky II (1979): January 1, 1976 - November 25, 1976

Rocky III (1982): early-1979 - early-1980

We know that Rocky was 30 in Rocky and 34 in Rocky III, placing his date of birth sometime in 1945. If we accept that Rocky IV takes place in 1985, it means he is roughly 40 years old.

See I don't get this at all though... Rocky came home with a blackeye.. In the same eye where they freeze Apollo and Rocky exchanging blows. The next time we see Rocky in Rocky 4 he's coming home with a black eye. I can't remember the exact line but it was whoever losses... something about wins beauty. Rocky shows up with a new hat i.e. to look better. So I'm just not getting how there is a 5 year gap there.

Originally posted by Kotor3
No. That was an exhibition fight. It wasn't meant to be a serious fight. That is why Apollo did not trained as if he was still a contender and his manger and everyone was angered by the way Drago was fighting which was all out.

Did you forget that this is Apollo way past his prime who had not been an active fighter for a few years and who did not trained as if he was still a contender?

Still it took two rounds for Drago to take him down.

Look, Drago is portrayed to be a monster hitter. No one is denying that. However, his feats do not help the arguments of those who are stating he would stomp someone like Lang.

Prime Apollo would rock Drago.

It's not Drago's fault Apollo didn't take it seriously. The Russians said they came to win, you can't blame Drago for Apollo's stupidity.

Sure, he was past his prime, but was still in excellent shape, sparred with Rocky, etc.

He didn't just take him down, he killed him. There are a lot of early KOs in boxing, but when was the last time you saw someone flat out murder another fighter during the match?

Here are the facts, Drago had greater strength based on his domination of Apollo and his 2250 PSI punch, Drago has greater reach, and most importantly, Drago has far far better stamina. Lang was done at round 3, Drago pushed on to the final round against a stronger Rocky. In a fight Drago would destroy Lang in under 5 rounds.

Prime Apollo lost to a Rocky far bellow his peak, he'd never defeat Drago.

Apollo wasn't just past his prime he was geriatric by that point. Drago beating him isn't the least bit impressive. Neither is the killing of him. Numerous people have gotten killed in boxing and it doesn't take a guy who punches 2250 PSI to accomplish. Guys with marginal to average power have killed people.

Where do you get this notion that Rocky was far below his peak when he beat Apollo? This couldn't be further from the truth. Rocky 3 was based on him getting back to the Rocky that beat Apollo and getting the eye of the tiger back. So clearly he wasn't below his peak

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Apollo wasn't just past his prime he was geriatric by that point. Drago beating him isn't the least bit impressive. Neither is the killing of him. Numerous people have gotten killed in boxing and it doesn't take a guy who punches 2250 PSI to accomplish. Guys with marginal to average power have killed people.

Where do you get this notion that Rocky was far below his peak when he beat Apollo? This couldn't be further from the truth. Rocky 3 was based on him getting back to the Rocky that beat Apollo and getting the eye of the tiger back. So clearly he wasn't below his peak

LOL, he was 37, the current heavyweight champion and best boxer alive is 38. Apollo was nowhere near geriatric. Let me put it like this, Rocky was hitting Apollo for 15 rounds, and he was taking it, Drago DESTROYED him in 2. Lang couldn't even last 3 rounds with Rocky, he's DOA.

Rocky is on another level in Rocky IV. He's stronger, tougher, and has the skills Apollo taught him. In Rocky III he had lost his edge, he was bellow his Rocky II self until he got hungry again and trained with Apollo.