Clubber Lane runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Psychotron
LOL, he was 37, the current heavyweight champion and best boxer alive is 38. Apollo was nowhere near geriatric. Let me put it like this, Rocky was hitting Apollo for 15 rounds, and he was taking it, Drago DESTROYED him in 2. Lang couldn't even last 3 rounds with Rocky, he's DOA.

Rocky is on another level in Rocky IV. He's stronger, tougher, and has the skills Apollo taught him. In Rocky III he had lost his edge, he was bellow his Rocky II self until he got hungry again and trained with Apollo.

To them, "in their prime" means mid to late 20's and anyone over 30 is geriatric. They don't seem capable of understanding that it's possible for someone in their 30's to be in better shape than someone in their 20's.

Originally posted by Psychotron
LOL, he was 37, the current heavyweight champion and best boxer alive is 38. Apollo was nowhere near geriatric. Let me put it like this, Rocky was hitting Apollo for 15 rounds, and he was taking it, Drago DESTROYED him in 2. Lang couldn't even last 3 rounds with Rocky, he's DOA.

Rocky is on another level in Rocky IV. He's stronger, tougher, and has the skills Apollo taught him. In Rocky III he had lost his edge, he was bellow his Rocky II self until he got hungry again and trained with Apollo.

The best Boxer ALIVE LMAO... He's not even the best Brother of the two let alone the best boxer in the world. Not even close. His record is mediocre at best and won't stand the test of time when it comes to all time rankings. Trust me, you don't want to get into a boxing discussion.... Not only did I box in my younger days but I've studied the history of boxing as well. Trust me, unless he actually faces a few people that stand the test of time as good foes... he won't even be top 15 at HW let alone other weights.

Point is, Creed was not an active fighter... that makes all the difference in the world. Him being 37 and non active, he might as well be 45. You body needs proper training, proper diet and you TRAIN TO TAKE PUNCHES. Look no further than Johnson vs. Jeffries in 1910 to see what happens when another fighter takes a lot of time off and then tries to come back. At least Jeffries had a year to do so, Apollo didn't even take it seriously for 1 month. Drago victory over him wasn't the least bit impressive.

Again, you didn't address this.. boxers with average power have killed people. It's not impressive.

You couldn't be anymore wrong here either... Rocky isn't tougher in 4 than he was in one or two.. not even close. Apollo laid a worse beating on Rocky(No.2) than Drago did. I don't even think he was stronger but who cares about that anyways. Sure Rocky was more skilled, but he didn't use that skill he learned from Apollo anyways in 4, so he might as well not been more skilled.

The facts are that Lang hit Rocky harder and it was evident.. CLEARLY evident by how Rocky reacted to the shots.

Originally posted by Silent Master
To them, "in their prime" means mid to late 20's and anyone over 30 is geriatric. They don't seem capable of understanding that it's possible for someone in their 30's to be in better shape than someone in their 20's.

You should stick to fabricating stories about you being a Navy Seal LMAO

You should stick to lying about other people's arguments, it seems to be the only thing you know how to do.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The best Boxer ALIVE LMAO... He's not even the best Brother of the two let alone the best boxer in the world. Not even close. His record is mediocre at best and won't stand the test of time when it comes to all time rankings. Trust me, you don't want to get into a boxing discussion.... Not only did I box in my younger days but I've studied the history of boxing as well. Trust me, unless he actually faces a few people that stand the test of time as good foes... he won't even be top 15 at HW let alone other weights.

Point is, Creed was not an active fighter... that makes all the difference in the world. Him being 37 and non active, he might as well be 45. You body needs proper training, proper diet and you TRAIN TO TAKE PUNCHES. Look no further than Johnson vs. Jeffries in 1910 to see what happens when another fighter takes a lot of time off and then tries to come back. At least Jeffries had a year to do so, Apollo didn't even take it seriously for 1 month. Drago victory over him wasn't the least bit impressive.

Again, you didn't address this.. boxers with average power have killed people. It's not impressive.

You couldn't be anymore wrong here either... Rocky isn't tougher in 4 than he was in one or two.. not even close. Apollo laid a worse beating on Rocky(No.2) than Drago did. I don't even think he was stronger but who cares about that anyways. Sure Rocky was more skilled, but he didn't use that skill he learned from Apollo anyways in 4, so he might as well not been more skilled.

The facts are that Lang hit Rocky harder and it was evident.. CLEARLY evident by how Rocky reacted to the shots.

He is the best currently active boxer, not the best of all time.

He was still keeping himself in shape and sparred with Rocky. Now it is true that he wasn't in his prime anymore, but he wasn't so far gone that any random boxer would kill him in 2 rounds. 1910? Who gives a f*ck? That boxing has nothing to do with modern boxing.

And have they killed former world heavyweight champions? This is like if someone freshly entered into pro boxing had killed Ali.

What? He is ridiculously superior to his Rocky II self. Not only is he stronger, but he's much faster and more skilled. His endurance skyrocketed, in Rocky IV he's running up mountains, not just stairs. In fact, his training in IV was all about getting strong and tough enough to withstand Drago's raw power. That the choreography didn't show them doesn't mean Rocky lost all of his skills between movies.

The fact is that Rocky ate his shots and asked for more, Lang has no feats to suggest he's anywhere near Drago in strength. And then there's his abysmal stamina.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
See I don't get this at all though... Rocky came home with a blackeye.. In the same eye where they freeze Apollo and Rocky exchanging blows. The next time we see Rocky in Rocky 4 he's coming home with a black eye. I can't remember the exact line but it was whoever losses... something about wins beauty. Rocky shows up with a new hat i.e. to look better. So I'm just not getting how there is a 5 year gap there.

I never thought the movie continue directly from three for various reasons from comments made in the movie. Check out the FAQ in the link I provided.

Also I believe the fight with Lang take place in 1982 whereas the fight with Drago takes place in 85.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's not Drago's fault Apollo didn't take it seriously. The Russians said they came to win, you can't blame Drago for Apollo's stupidity.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Sure, he was past his prime, but was still in excellent shape, sparred with Rocky, etc.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He didn't just take him down, he killed him. There are a lot of early KOs in boxing, but when was the last time you saw someone flat out murder another fighter during the match?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Here are the facts, Drago had greater strength based on his domination of Apollo and his 2250 PSI punch, Drago has greater reach, and most importantly, Drago has far far better stamina. Lang was done at round 3, Drago pushed on to the final round against a stronger Rocky. In a fight Drago would destroy Lang in under 5 rounds.

I.e. Ali said that Foreman was the most powerful foe he met in the ring. However he said Earnie Shavers (a much smaller individual) was the hardest puncher he encountered in the ring.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Prime Apollo lost to a Rocky far bellow his peak, he'd never defeat Drago.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok. The point is you are others are using this feat to show how impressive Drago is and it is not an impressive feat for reasons already describe.

Are you really comparing the conditioning of Apollo in Rocky IV to that of Rocky II or I? Apollo conditioning for a serious fight was a joke in Rocky IV.

Yes he did kill a past his prime not fully conditioned and trained fighter in the second round. I’m sure Lang going all out could have done the same to Apollo in similar conditions.

Please stop using Apollo as an example to support Drago’s superiority, it does not help. Was the strength of Lang’s hits recorded? Even if Drago does have greater strength it does not necessary means he hits harder. (I’m not saying Drago doesn’t but from feats it seems that Lang is the hardest hitter).

I.e. Ali said that Foreman was the most powerful foe he met in the ring. However he said Earnie Shavers (a much smaller individual) was the hardest puncher he encountered in the ring.

Everyone lost to Rocky. I disagree about Rocky’s prime. Rocky’s prime is part II. He was most skilled in part III and had the most determination in part IV.

Yes, it is. Show me another boxer who just went pro who could wreck an Ali-level boxer in 2 rounds.

Based on what? He was still capable of giving Rocky a decent match.

Again, based on what? Lang has 0 feats to suggest such a thing. And being out of practice doesn't mean his durability suddenly dropped.

The point of that scene and the Apollo beatdown was to show the viewer that Drago was the toughest opponent Rocky has ever had. There's no denying that his 2150 PSI punch is superhuman. Since Lang has no feats to compare we must assume he hits harder than Lang.

This isn't about size, it's about feats. Drago killed Apollo, and recorded a superhuman punch, Lang didn't shit.

How could his prime be Part II? He is in noticeably better shape in Rocky III and IV, has better training, and faced stronger opponents.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He is the best currently active boxer, not the best of all time.

He was still keeping himself in shape and sparred with Rocky. Now it is true that he wasn't in his prime anymore, but he wasn't so far gone that any random boxer would kill him in 2 rounds. 1910? Who gives a f*ck? That boxing has nothing to do with modern boxing.

And have they killed former world heavyweight champions? This is like if someone freshly entered into pro boxing had killed Ali.

What? He is ridiculously superior to his Rocky II self. Not only is he stronger, but he's much faster and more skilled. His endurance skyrocketed, in Rocky IV he's running up mountains, not just stairs. In fact, his training in IV was all about getting strong and tough enough to withstand Drago's raw power. That the choreography didn't show them doesn't mean Rocky lost all of his skills between movies.

The fact is that Rocky ate his shots and asked for more, Lang has no feats to suggest he's anywhere near Drago in strength. And then there's his abysmal stamina.

I don't know where you get this notion that he's the best current boxer either. He isn't. He's probably the best HW boxer right now, but that isn't saying much considering how pathetic the HW division is these days. Ohhh n old modern boxing vs. old time boxing argument. I guess I would come as a shock to you that the best p2p boxer of all time usually is either Harry Greb or Sugar ... Guess what? One of them is from this so called prehistoric times lol

Not even close to true... He didn't kill an Ali type... Apollo was retired and had been so for many years. If we go by what Kotor says... it would be another additional 5 years after Rocky 3. Which again, he still wasn't an active fighter even then. It would be about a full 7 years of being out of the ring.. That is a lifetime for a boxer. Literally.

Look at Emile vs. Benny P... Benny P was a champion and STILL an active fighter and he was killed. He hadn't been retired for 7 years and not training to fight. It happens, it wasn't impressive in the least. Lesser fighters have accomplished the same.

I agree Rocky was stronger ... maybe even with more stamina.. I don't agree that he was tougher at all. Not in the least or even close. The whole point of Rocky 3 and even 4 was that he got too comfortable living the rich and famous lifestyle. He was wealthy and content. Rocky 1 and 2 he was from the streets living the tough life trying to make ends meat. Again watch Rocky 2 again.. he takes a much worse and one sided beating than in his fight with Drago. As mickey says in Rocky 3 .. "it should've killed you" . Rocky was by no means tougher at all.

You don't like it, but he showed none of those skills and never applied them. So we just don't know. What we all know is that Lang's punches clearly hurt Rocky more. You don't like it, but it still happened

Originally posted by Kotor3
I posted the link where I got this information from in the same post that you copied: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089927/faq

I never thought the movie continue directly from three for various reasons from comments made in the movie. Check out the FAQ in the link I provided.

Also I believe the fight with Lang take place in 1982 whereas the fight with Drago takes place in 85.

that makes zero sense though... he shows up with a BLACK EYE.. in the same place Apollo was shown freeze frame hitting him. Then he shows up with a hat and when asked where he got it.. "same friend". He got the hat for beauty which they said before they are going to spar.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, it is. Show me another boxer who just went pro who could wreck an Ali-level boxer in 2 rounds.

Based on what? He was still capable of giving Rocky a decent match.

Again, based on what? Lang has 0 feats to suggest such a thing. And being out of practice doesn't mean his durability suddenly dropped.

The point of that scene and the Apollo beatdown was to show the viewer that Drago was the toughest opponent Rocky has ever had. There's no denying that his 2150 PSI punch is superhuman. Since Lang has no feats to compare we must assume he hits harder than Lang.

This isn't about size, it's about feats. Drago killed Apollo, and recorded a superhuman punch, Lang didn't shit.

How could his prime be Part II? He is in noticeably better shape in Rocky III and IV, has better training, and faced stronger opponents.

You mean besides go 1-1 with Rocky while Drago is 0-1 as a professional losing to Rocky... So you mean not shit besides being drago's superior in this area?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't know where you get this notion that he's the best current boxer either. He isn't. He's probably the best HW boxer right now, but that isn't saying much considering how pathetic the HW division is these days. Ohhh n old modern boxing vs. old time boxing argument. I guess I would come as a shock to you that the best p2p boxer of all time usually is either Harry Greb or Sugar ... Guess what? One of them is from this so called prehistoric times lol

Not even close to true... He didn't kill an Ali type... Apollo was retired and had been so for many years. If we go by what Kotor says... it would be another additional 5 years after Rocky 3. Which again, he still wasn't an active fighter even then. It would be about a full 7 years of being out of the ring.. That is a lifetime for a boxer. Literally.

Look at Emile vs. Benny P... Benny P was a champion and STILL an active fighter and he was killed. He hadn't been retired for 7 years and not training to fight. It happens, it wasn't impressive in the least. Lesser fighters have accomplished the same.

I agree Rocky was stronger ... maybe even with more stamina.. I don't agree that he was tougher at all. Not in the least or even close. The whole point of Rocky 3 and even 4 was that he got too comfortable living the rich and famous lifestyle. He was wealthy and content. Rocky 1 and 2 he was from the streets living the tough life trying to make ends meat. Again watch Rocky 2 again.. he takes a much worse and one sided beating than in his fight with Drago. As mickey says in Rocky 3 .. "it should've killed you" . Rocky was by no means tougher at all.

You don't like it, but he showed none of those skills and never applied them. So we just don't know. What we all know is that Lang's punches clearly hurt Rocky more. You don't like it, but it still happened

No light or middleweight can take Klitchko. Greb and Sugar would get wrecked by any good heavyweights from the last 30 years.

That's assuming what Kotor says is true. It seems to me that Rocky IV picks up after III.

"It is theorized that one of the reasons Paret died was that he was vulnerable due to the beatings he took in his previous three fights, all of which happened within twelve months of each other. New York State boxing authorities were criticized for giving Paret clearance to fight just several months after the Fullmer fight" So yeah.

That was the point of Rocky III, he had lost his edge in the beginning, which is why Clubber defeated him, but after getting hungry again, and training with Apollo, he took him down easy. Rocky IV wasn't about that at all, and Rocky was more determined than ever. Not to mention stronger, tougher, more skilled, and Drago still took him to his limits and gave him brain damage. Rocky from Rocky IV would take down Apollo in maybe 6-7 rounds.

And based on what did they hurt Rocky more? Based on Rocky taking them? Based on Rocky mocking Lang and asking for more?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You mean besides go 1-1 with Rocky while Drago is 0-1 as a professional losing to Rocky... So you mean not shit besides being drago's superior in this area?

Apollo won against Rocky at his weakest, Drago took him on at his strongest.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Rocky’s prime is part II.

Nope

Originally posted by Psychotron
but after getting hungry again, and training with Apollo, he took him down easy.

Nope

Originally posted by juggerman

Nope

Really? How many rounds did he last again?

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm a huge Lang supporter but Drago would curb him. He is durable as shit and his stamina would easily tax Lang. Tho Lang hits harder imo, that's not enough to net him the dub

Well, at least you're partially right but you think Lang hits harder than Drago? Seriously? I guess we must've seen different Rocky movies then. The ones I saw were the ones most everybody else saw and in those it was made clear that Drago was the strongest and most dangerous opponent Rocky ever faced. In the version of Rocky 3 that you saw did Lang kill anyone in a boxing match? Was Lang knocking a superior Rocky across the ring? He sure wasn't in the movie I saw.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Really? How many rounds did he last again?

Quickly=/=easily

Originally posted by Star428
Well, at least you're partially right but you think Lang hits harder than Drago? Seriously? I guess we must've seen different Rocky movies then. The ones I saw were the ones most everybody else saw and in those it was made clear that Drago was the strongest and most dangerous opponent Rocky ever faced. In the version of Rocky 3 that you saw did Lang kill anyone in a boxing match? Was Lang knocking a superior Rocky across the ring? He sure wasn't in the movie I saw.

There is a thread dedicated to this and if you would like I can meet you there and explain my reasoning.

Originally posted by juggerman
Quickly=/=easily

Quickly = easily. Drago and Apollo pushed him to his limits, Lang didn't.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Quickly = easily.

Nope