Top 20 Greatest sith lord (Dark Lord of the sith only.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
The destruction of the Mando's was done before he was a Sith and is a point in Vitiate's favor moreso because he orchastrated the whole thing and it succeeded in splintering the Jedi, corrupting Revan and wrecking the Republic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
His idea's on the RoT don't count because he didn't actually accomplish anything with regards to them. He never integrated those idea's into his empire.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And he accomplished nothing noteworthy in those wars except constantly ****ing up, failing, fixing his own mistakes and getting his ass kicked.

Mandalorian Wars: "The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from."
Jedi Civil War: Revan "brought the galaxy to his kness" in basically a year, and in that time forced the Republic to completely reform their military in the aftermath into a powerful force.
The Dark Wars: Revan's teachings, findings, and massacre on Malachor V directly led to the corruption of Darth Traya and Darth Nihilus respectively. The war's orgins can be credited to him.
Great Galactic War: Revan postponed the entire war for 308 years, saving countless generations. He then ended the war via manipulating the empire, saving the Galactic Republic in the process.
Galactic War: Revan took command of the Order of Revan and turned them into a fighting force that could rival both the Republic and the Empire. Only together could they hope to beat dark Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And you know that Vitiate isn't widely known solely because he's relatively recent. It's not like people were raving about Revan post movies either.

Hmm, interesting topic. As for accomplishments, numero uno is Sidious. The next spots are Vitiate, Krayt, Bane, Revan, Ragnos, Plagueis (perhaps)...

It's kinda hard to gauge time when Vitiate took an almost extinct species, and put them on top again. Krayt utilized the existing Empire. Impressive but not that impressive.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All Vitiate did was influence the Mandalorians to begin the war. Revan was the mastermind behind it who slowly corrupted the Jedi around him, eradicated the Mandalorians, and cleaned-house on Malachor V.

And then went and got turned into Vitiate bottom b*tch without him even having to stand up. Revan wasn't the mastermind behind the war, Vitiate was. Revan used the war to turn the Jedi to his side, but ultimately all of that simply played into Vitiate's hands and made Revan's failure all the larger.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What do you mean? Revan definitely integrated those ideas into his empire. He merely had one apprentice, and Malak and majority of the other Sith followed in said footsteps.

Not on a large scale. As we see on Korriban, the Sith were still trained in academies by many different Sith.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cute.

Mandalorian Wars: "The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from."
Jedi Civil War: Revan "brought the galaxy to his kness" in basically a year, and in that time forced the Republic to completely reform their military in the aftermath into a powerful force.
The Dark Wars: Revan's teachings, findings, and massacre on Malachor V directly led to the corruption of Darth Traya and Darth Nihilus respectively. The war's orgins can be credited to him.
Great Galactic War: Revan postponed the entire war for 308 years, saving countless generations. He then ended the war via manipulating the empire, saving the Galactic Republic in the process.
Galactic War: Revan took command of the Order of Revan and turned them into a fighting force that could rival both the Republic and the Empire. Only together could they hope to beat dark Revan.

Wow! And none of it accomplished anything or makes up for Revan constantly failing. The Mandalorian Wars are a failure on Revan's part because he thought he could walk down the dark path and got utterly clowned when he met real darkness. He was corrupted and eventually turned by the Emperor to further his own plans. Revan's war on the Republic almost destroyed the thing he was originally trying to protect. It's also hard to ignore that he was brainwashed by Vitiate into doing all of it. It grants him a place in the big leagues for establishing a Sith Empire but it's not close to Vitiate, Bane, Krayt or Sidious' league. Revan's actions after Vitiate pwned his ass a second time also don't count because he wasn't a Sith at that point. And his actions during his zombie period only accomplished uniting the Empire and Republic and bringing Vitiate back to life! AKA the exact opposite of his goals.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really. BioWare managed to squeeze in Vitiate into the picture without effecting anything. Nothing was changed.

Revan is only a Sith in the first place because of Vitiate. All of his accomplishments since then are merely extensions of Vitiate's own.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan is only a Sith in the first place because of Vitiate. All of his accomplishments since then are merely extensions of Vitiate's own.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate is definitely impressive, which is why I put him in the top 3. But Krayt achieved similar accomplishments in a fraction of the time. Krayt orchestrated another Jedi purge, the conflict between the resurgent Empire and GA, and secured the throne. He also achieved a state of immortality and reshaped Sith society as Vitiate did.

Vitiate's definitely got an impressive cv, just not when compared to Krayt's when you factor time.

Krayt was given much better resources when he began his rule. Vitiate carried out an impossible task and at the end, he reached a level of existence far beyond Krayt.

But I guess yours is a respectable opinion as well.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Revan is only a Sith in the first place because of Vitiate. All of his accomplishments since then are merely extensions of Vitiate's own.

Yeah, its kinda like a Sidious/Vader situation.

Revan is only a Sith in the first place because of Vitiate. All of his accomplishments since then are merely extensions of Vitiate's own.

True, but that doesn't detract that he was still a Sith Lord because of Vitiate's domination of him.

That line of reasoning is retarded. That's like saying that Sidious wouldn't have been a sith lord if it wasn't for Plagueis. And if we're going to go by that route, then the Exiles are the most powerful of the bunch since they created the sith order.

There is a huge difference. Sidious was born evil and was meant to become what he became.

Revan was mindraped. And The Emperor sent him back to test and harm the republic which is what Revan ended up doing. As a sith, everything he did, indirectly served the Emperor.

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Originally posted by Sinious
There is a huge difference. Sidious was born evil and was meant to become what he became.

Revan was mindraped. And The Emperor sent him back to test and harm the republic which is what Revan ended up doing. As a sith, everything he did, indirectly served the Emperor.

Revan and Malak stopped serving Vitiate pretty early on tbh. He only sent them to find the Star Forge. Testing the republic would be irrelevant.

There is a huge difference. Sidious was born evil and was meant to become what he became.

I'm not sure who you're arguing this to. Revan isn't on my list, but Vitiate clearly is. Noticed I missed 3 too, I don't know, maybe Hord at 8 and everything from 8 moves down.

Note that when I put Revan on the list, I'm referring to him as depicted in KotOR 2, not Gnost Dural's retcon.

Hum Revan is reponsible for the psychic bomb... Wich is reponsible for the death of the sith except one Bane and also Jerec events. And Bane is responsible for Plagueis sidious etc...
Wao jeeze... It is almost like Revan was reponsible for the first and second Jedi purge...

"Note that when I put Revan on the list, I'm referring to him as depicted in KotOR 2, not Gnost Dural's retcon."

As far I love Gnost Dural.... I have to admit I don't agree with his Jedish idea on what Darth Revan was....

And I also forget the rule of two XDXD.... God bless Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The destruction of the Mando's was done before he was a Sith and is a point in Vitiate's favor moreso because he orchastrated the whole thing and it succeeded in splintering the Jedi, corrupting Revan and wrecking the Republic. His idea's on the RoT don't count because he didn't actually accomplish anything with regards to them. He never integrated those idea's into his empire. And he accomplished nothing noteworthy in those wars except constantly ****ing up, failing, fixing his own mistakes and getting his ass kicked.

And you know that Vitiate isn't widely known solely because he's relatively recent. It's not like people were raving about Revan post movies either.

Technicaly he is a sith but he don't really claim to be a sith lord....
The website made an article about when Revan became truly a sith lord....

If you play KotOR 2 you will notice Than Revan select the ship, the people allowed to survive the battle of Malachor V....

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Note that when I put Revan on the list, I'm referring to him as depicted in KotOR 2, not Gnost Dural's retcon.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan and Malak stopped serving Vitiate pretty early on tbh. He only sent them to find the Star Forge. Testing the republic would be irrelevant.

Vitiate sent them to find the star forge and use it against the republic. They broke free of the control Vitiate had over them which is why I said "indirectly" but they still remained sith and as sith everything they did served the Emperor's plans.

Revan deserves to take credit for his accomplishments as a sith no doubt but Revan as a sith most certainly doesn't come close to Vitiate. Darth Revan was like an extension of the true sith empire's domain.

Originally posted by psmith81992
If Plagueis hadn't intervened, Sidious would have continued his meaningless existence up until his death. So there is no difference.

So Palpatine, a guy who was born evil and got an offer from Plagueis and joined the sith naturally by his own will is as much victim as Revan, the Republic's champion who dedicated his life to serve the good in the galaxy who got mindraped by an evil Emperor to serve his evil plans. Makes sense. 👆