Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because everything Revan did was merely a warped version of Vitiate's instructions. It's not the same as Palpatine doing stuff completely independently of Plagueis. Revan was still under Vitiate's control and still performing his will.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Not until he met Plagueis.
So? You don't have an argument here. Vitiate mindraped Revan and sent him to do his bidding and Revan broke free from the Emperor's control yet ended up doing the Emperor's bidding anyway. 👆
Present an argument that refutes this, if you can. If not, I'm not sure what we are debating about.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
All Revan was sent to do was collect information. How is anything Revan did after being "partially" free involved with collecting information?
“We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed."
So? You don't have an argument here. Vitiate mindraped Revan and sent him to do his bidding and Revan broke free from the Emperor's control yet ended up doing the Emperor's bidding anyway
Originally posted by psmith81992
Actually he didn't, but good try. My argument is the only thing that's standing here, your pitiful attempts to point out "differences" notwithstanding.
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It must be hard for you to see your hero admit himself how he was still only partially free from the Emperor. Go join Ant's denial club, I'm done trying with you. It takes something special to fail to see the huge difference between characters like Sidious and Revan. Bravo.
It must be hard for you to see your hero admit himself how he was still only partially free from the Emperor. Go join Ant's denial club, I'm done trying with you. It takes something special to fail to see the huge difference between characters like Sidious and Revan. Bravo.
I gave a firsthand quote that proves Vitiate's control on Revan wasn't over. :/
Do I really need to give you quotes? Why don't we go look at the entire plot of the KOTOR games, followed by SWTOR. Revan and Malak broke off from the Emperor, and he moved on to his own agenda. Then he tried to kill the Emperor. I'm not sure you even understand what constitutes as proof when you randomly scream "look, quotes!". All 3 games, as well as the Revan novel, prove that Vitiate's control over Revan ended, and ended fast. Quit while behind.
LMAO @ "as well as the Revan novel."
No, Revan got mindraped by Vitiate. Vitiate sent him to find the star forge and harm the republic as much as he can. Revan and Malak kinda broke free from Vitiate's direct control yet not his influence(this, stated by himself in the novel). And then guess what happened? Revan did exactly what Vitiate wanted him to do. He may have done it all by his own name and command but he still did what Vitiate anticipated him to do.
Only until the jedi wiped his memory and recreated his character, he was completely free from Vitiate but since he stopped being a sith at that point, it is irrelevant in this thread.
No, Revan got mindraped by Vitiate. Vitiate sent him to find the star forge and harm the republic as much as he can. Revan and Malak kinda broke free from Vitiate's direct control yet not his influence(this, stated by himself in the novel)
That line of reasoning is retarded. That's like saying that Sidious wouldn't have been a sith lord if it wasn't for Plagueis. And if we're going to go by that route, then the Exiles are the most powerful of the bunch since they created the sith order.
So once again, bravo for that good show! 😂
Originally posted by Nephthys
“We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed."
“He didn’t know what had happened,” Revan explained. “He was waiting for us to report back. When he heard nothing, he assumed we had failed. He returned to his original plans, slowly and carefully building up his strength so that when he finally did invade there would be no chance of defeat.”
Obviously Revan and Malak weren't doing what the Emperor wanted, Malak having half a decade to report anything.
You said Revan was just sent to collect information. Clearly you were wrong, which was the only thing I was pointing out.
Also I am pretty sure if you release a wild animal into the public then you are responsible for it's actions. If the pitbull mauled someone I don't think they'd sue the dog, they'd sue you.
Revanchiste, which Sith destroyed a Moon over Korriban? Also if we're talking about power:
1.Palpatine
2.Vitiate
3.Plagueis
4.Nihilus
5.Caedus
6.Krayt
7.Exar Kun
8.Vader
9.Zannah
10.Bane
11.Malgus
12.Nox
13.Wrath
14.Ragnos
15.Sadow
16.Dooku
17.Traya
18.Freedon Nadd
19.Malak
20.Maul.
Honorable mentions goes to the Dark Jedi Exiles, Tulak Hord, and the Dread Masters who I used to have on the list but not anymore cause eh reasons.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You said Revan was just sent to collect information. Clearly you were wrong, which was the only thing I was pointing out.
Also I am pretty sure if you release a wild animal into the public then you are responsible for it's actions. If the pitbull mauled someone I don't think they'd sue the dog, they'd sue you.
I wasn't even addressing the point, I was nitpicking your example about pitbulls. At this point I don't feel like repeating myself is worth the effort. Vitiate told him to use his forces to crush all resistance and defeat the Republic, which is exactly what Revan tried to do. Everything Darth Revan did and accomplished with in service to Vitiate's goals and at his command, whilst under his mental domination. I don't see how anyone can say that what Darth Revan accomplished wasn't directly a result of Vitiate's machinations.
The fact that the nitpick didn't even have anything to do with the point aside:
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see how anyone can say that what Darth Revan accomplished wasn't directly a result of Vitiate's machinations.
He just make Revan found the starforge and give him thisspread spiritthis will to be a conqueror a savior a warrior a general a leader an emperor a weapon ingeener, a politician etc....
And make him think like a K'Tan in warhammer 40 000.. But that's pretty much it...
In fact what ever personalities Revan take he still himself, a personnalitie is a shell that allow Revan to play a specific rôle.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
lol what?
Look Revan from the point of view of an historian, like Gnost Dural, but imagine you are not a Jedi but instead one of Revan ex officier and you know personaly Revan and you try to rebuilt his story with KotOR 1/2 informations about him...
Take a dialog bank a really solid one and reacearch !!!
There is few things than you have missed...