Top 20 Greatest sith lord (Dark Lord of the sith only.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except the novel states they were trying to crush all resistance, so still retconned. Whats the newer source? It'd have to be pretty unquestionable and explicit to overrule Revan own damn words about his own actions. And demonstrating superiority over someone who then went on to do all that at your behest is a better accomplishment than Revan failing to conquer the galaxy. Vitiate almost destroyed the Republic without even having to stand up.of Plagueis. Revan was still under Vitiate's control and still performing his will.

Newer source is SWTORE.

Originally posted by Nephthys 😬 If he's still partially under his control I'm pretty sure he's not going to be able to resist the Big Man directly pushing him fully back under. He doesn't when he regains his memories because he's completely free from Vitiate's influence then, was more powerful and had prepared a defense. None of which hold for Darth Revan.

So you're making shit up. Got it. 👆

However, Revan was creating a new empire in direct opposition to Vitiate's. What an accomplishment!

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because everything Revan did was merely a warped version of Vitiate's instructions. It's not the same as Palpatine doing stuff completely independently of Plagueis. Revan was still under Vitiate's control and still performing his will.

And Plapatine, via conquering thgalaxy and destroying the Jedi, was also doing a warped version of Plags' will.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not at all. Vitiate "began his rule" as the ruler of an entire planet and seized the remnants of the Sith empire and rebuilt in secrecy. Krayt started from absolute scratch as the ruler of nothing and nadda.

Ease up with your strokes; you don't want friction burn. Vitiate was the ruler of an entire world, axed 8k of his rivals in a ritual, seized their assets and spent a thousand years building his empire in secret. That's pretty damn impressive, no doubt. Krayt started out as a no-name Jedi in the galactic backwater and his Sith education was the equivalent of a University of Phoenix online education. Still, he managed to create his own Sith order, populated their ranks, manipulated events for decades between the GA and Empire, and assumed the throne and ruled a greater swath of galactic territory than anybody but Palpatine. And he too achieved a state of immortality. 👆

I wasn't referring to their personal wealth or belongings when they started. I mean that the sith faction was in a worse shape in TOR iirc. I'm not sure what exactly was going on in Korriban when Krayt came there though. The most important factor here is the outer circumstances of their era. How powerful was his enemies at that time? In TOR, we know that they had 300 years to recover and grow in power but the Alliance that Krayt faced wasn't in its best shape after the Vong war. After the invasion of Coruscant, Krayt simply took over an organization that already existed which is quite advantageous compared to Vitiate's case since Vitiate never intended to take over the republic even though he successfully invaded Coruscant as well. I admit though, that Krayt's political cunning is very impressive.

What Vitiate did was impressive, just not as impressive or as efficient as Krayt's seizure. Nor did Krayt enjoy a position of advantage like Vitiate did.

Thx.

Lets find a consensus of opinion and agree on this: Krayt was more successful at ascending to the throne and Vitiate was more successful at keeping the throne. 🤣

Originally posted by ares834
Newer source is SWTORE.

So you're making shit up. Got it. 👆

However, Revan was creating a new empire in direct opposition to Vitiate's. What an accomplishment!

And Plapatine, via conquering thgalaxy and destroying the Jedi, was also doing a warped version of Plags' will.

SWToR is reiable at 38% if you schearch info on Revan....
And you have to stop at the foundry... And remember than Gnost Dural is a Jedi is alignement have an influence on his opinion he will never admit than Revan fall on purpuse....

"However, Revan was creating a new empire in direct opposition to Vitiate's. What an accomplishment!"

Officialy It was the purpuse of this empire but the opposition was not direct yet the invasion of the republic and the conversion of the Jedi Order were the preparatif for this war...

Revan empire is in ccopération with the true sith empire until he finish his primary objectif....

But Revan never attacked the true sith empire because Malak betray him.

Nadd should probably be on here for the OR he more or less influenced everyone from Revan, Kun, Zannah, and Bane. His influence is being undersold imo, he taught multiple generations of Sith arcane techniques.