Yet he did not manage to free himself from the dark side and killed a lot more jedi than sith and greatly harmed the republic by your own admittance(countless times).
They became separate empires with separate visions in time yet until the death of Darth Malak, Vitiate's effect on Revan and Malak did not end completely.
Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate sent them to find the star forge and use it against the republic. They broke free of the control Vitiate had over them which is why I said "indirectly" but they still remained sith and as sith everything they did served the Emperor's plans.Revan deserves to take credit for his accomplishments as a sith no doubt but Revan as a sith most certainly doesn't come close to Vitiate. Darth Revan was like an extension of the true sith empire's domain.
So Palpatine, a guy who was born evil and got an offer from Plagueis and joined the sith naturally by his own will is as much victim as Revan, the Republic's champion who dedicated his life to serve the good in the galaxy who got mindraped by an evil Emperor to serve his evil plans. Makes sense. 👆
In fact Revan need the sith he is using a part of the true sith army... He need to do not show hostilities, he pretext to build his own empire to keep the true sith empire hiden...
He don't want war with the true sith yet the star forge is in range of them he need the republic to fight them...
Revan always work on his own...
So Palpatine, a guy who was born evil and got an offer from Plagueis and joined the sith naturally by his own will is as much victim as Revan, the Republic's champion who dedicated his life to serve the good in the galaxy who got mindraped by an evil Emperor to serve his evil plans. Makes sense.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan made his Sith Empire and the Jedi Civil War in hope to assemble a force strong enough to kill Vitiate. They were separate empire's with separate visions. 😬
But Revan want Vitiate to belive than he still work for Vitiate acount....
Revan didn't really go mind rape he know than the emperor will defeat him.... And he seek Vitiate teaching....
Revan is already some kind of sith lord way before Malachor V....
He quicly escape Vitiate control....
He want to protect the republic by his own methods.... That's pretty clear in KotOR 2...
Revan already convert Jedi at Malachor V battle.... A way before than Vitiate have control over him.... The Jedi council is his main ennemy..
Come on Darth ant take your quote from KotOR 2 !!!!
Originally posted by psmith81992
How many murders did Palpatine commit before meeting Plagueis? Exactly. 👆
Murder is not the only evil thing a person can do but he caused the death of several people by accident but didn't feel bad about it at all. He, from the day he was born cared for power and nothing else. "If not power, then nothing." his words at the age of 17. His own father considered him to be an unnatural being. The dark side of the force was present within him in a so sinister and sophisticated manner that even Darth Plagueis himself couldn't read through his mind and sense the force in him when they first met. Should I go on?
Originally posted by Sinious
Yet he did not manage to free himself from the dark side and killed a lot more jedi than sith and greatly harmed the republic by your own admittance(countless times).
When Revan came back from the Unknown Regions, his goal was to assemble a military force capable of overcoming Vitiate's empire. He had his Star Forge army, a third of the Republic military, and began the reconstruction of the Mandalorians and HK-50 battle droids to also combat against Vitiate. He didn't "greedily harm" the Republic, suggesting that is an embarrassment to society. Every attack completed during the Jedi Civil War had tactical foresight, intentionally keeping specific infrastructure's of worlds intact while eliminating potential political rivals.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He did greatly harm the Republic. Without the Exile to save everyone's asses his actions would have doomed the Republic.
Someone disagree's:
“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”
“But you still called yourself Sith,” Meetra said, puzzled. “You still attacked the Republic and brought it to the verge of collapse before the Jedi captured you. And even after you stopped Malak, the Republic was still as vulnerable as it’s ever been. Why didn’t the Emperor just invade then?”
Gotta love dat retcon! :V
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao, no. Revan had "tremendous dark side power" even before he was corrupted by Vitiate. All Vitiate did was crown him as a Sith. I find it so funny when people like you trying to debate when you actually know nothing about the character. Revan even as the Mandalorian Wars was corrupting thousands of Jedi, knowingly sacrificing fleets of his own men for victory, and intentionally did the devastation on Malachor V to get rid of virtually everyone in the Republic army who opposed him.
“We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed.
“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.” - TOR: Revan
When Revan came back from the Unknown Regions, his goal was to assemble a military force capable of overcoming Vitiate's empire. He had his Star Forge army, a third of the Republic military, and began the reconstruction of the Mandalorians and HK-50 battle droids to also combat against Vitiate. He didn't "greedily harm" the Republic, suggesting that is an embarrassment to society. Every attack completed during the Jedi Civil War had tactical foresight, intentionally keeping specific infrastructure's of worlds intact while eliminating potential political rivals.
“But you still called yourself Sith,” Meetra said, puzzled. “You still attacked the Republic and brought it to the verge of collapse before the Jedi captured you. And even after you stopped Malak, the Republic was still as vulnerable as it’s ever been." - TOR: Revan
What did Vitiate intend to do? Send Revan back and make him harm the republic. What happened? Precisely that. Not much to argue here buddy.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's Revan's light side interpretation of what happened, not narrative canon, lol.
Your opinion > Revan's on his own actions, ok.
Lets just ignore that the suggestions that Revan was preparing for a greater enemy came from HK-47 and Kreia, who are super not biased towards him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan is only a Sith in the first place because of Vitiate. All of his accomplishments since then are merely extensions of Vitiate's own.
Originally posted by Stigma
Damn, that's a good point 👆
Not really. Going by that logic Ajunta Pall is the most accomplished as without him no Sith would have existed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your opinion > Revan's on his own actions, ok.Lets just ignore that the suggestions that Revan was preparing for a greater enemy came from HK-47 and Kreia, who are super not biased towards him.
They weren't suggesting. Avellone said in a shit ton of interviews that Revan was specifically preparing for a greater enemy.