Originally posted by Golgo13Interesting how that showing somehow made it into the OP.
Yeah, in Avengers V X-Men series. Not the last one. I wonder if Magneto can defend against someone who can move FTL.Also, when Ray is in energy form, he can't be physically harmed as when he fought Lobo.
I think this is a good match.
Continue with this totally non-biased thread
Originally posted by leonidas
have you seen what he did to proteus? and proteus is/was an absolute monster. exiles proteus was freakin great. monica has actually gotten through his shields a couple times in the past though. he has however shown that he can modulate the frequency of his shielding pretty easily. if he did that, he could easily keep her or ray out then take his time, study ray's form a bit then....:only difference is ray isn't some utterly foreign form of energy, and isn't a reality warper. mags has shown enormous control over em radiation in the past. it's just sometimes forgotten by writers who believe all he controls is magnetism. a well written mags would handle ray just fine. a less than well written mags could have some problems i guess.
But that is just it, this exact statement applies to ray too. When well written hehe's an absolute beast. When he joined the JLA and they tested his power output he was stated to have energy output greater than anyone. A dimensional entity who had already best Bloodwynd and made MMH his puppet referred to Ray as the JLA'sJLA's most powerful member (borh obviously hyperbole, but still And Jonn often referred to jow powerful he was). During JLTF his energy projection was used often to mimic the abikities of a GL with energy constructs. Hell his most dangerous adversary in his solo title was onemof his own constructs that had bevome sentient, he cre a ted a light cunstruct and a comouter program to run it as a training tool, that evolved into his deadliest enemy.
For my money the story where Dr Light manipulated his energt just shouldn't have been possible. Based on his feats to that point Ray SHOULD have been the better energy manipulator
Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, in Avengers V X-Men series. Not the last one. I wonder if Magneto can defend against someone who can move FTL.Also, when Ray is in energy form, he can't be physically harmed as when he fought Lobo.
I think this is a good match.
Don't think speed is the issue here. Not only has Mags flown the speed of light but he has also grabbed a blitzing Northstar like nothing.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113932/3456395-8681486931-Magne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113932/3456397-3628870967-Magne.jpg
Originally posted by beatboks
But that is just it, this exact statement applies to ray too. When well written hehe's an absolute beast. When he joined the JLA and they tested his power output he was stated to have energy output greater than anyone. A dimensional entity who had already best Bloodwynd and made MMH his puppet referred to Ray as the JLA'sJLA's most powerful member (borh obviously hyperbole, but still And Jonn often referred to jow powerful he was). During JLTF his energy projection was used often to mimic the abikities of a GL with energy constructs. Hell his most dangerous adversary in his solo title was onemof his own constructs that had bevome sentient, he cre a ted a light cunstruct and a comouter program to run it as a training tool, that evolved into his deadliest enemy.For my money the story where Dr Light manipulated his energt just shouldn't have been possible. Based on his feats to that point Ray SHOULD have been the better energy manipulator
but mags has FAR more high end feats than ray does and light DID manipulate his energy form. those are reasons enough for me to think mags would take him but at this point the thread will just become tedious with one side saying he can and one side saying he can't. mags' history and feats are unquestionable. ray's, not so much. that's enough for me.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
but mags has FAR more high end feats than ray does and light DID manipulate his energy form. those are reasons enough for me to think mags would take him but at this point the thread will just become tedious with one side saying he can and one side saying he can't. mags' history and feats are unquestionable. ray's, not so much. that's enough for me.
Power isn't really the question here - if Ray has lots of dialogue crediting him as being 'the most powerful JLA member', great for him! (though he can get in line, really, with the amount of people that hear that)
The issue is skill. Magneto has gone toe-to-toe with other energy manipulators and proven himself to be in his own league. I don't personally see Ray as having the feats of energy manipulation, especially against other energy manipulators, to match Mags.
The Dr. Light showing doesn't help.
Ray has helped to absorb Parallax's energy universe along with Captain Atom and Darkstar.
He has also produced enough energy along with Superman, Alan, Kyle to recreate another sun.
In energy manipulation, he is superior to Triumph, Captain Atom etc.
I don't think just because Dr. Light who is a beastly energy manipulator himself ambushed and absorbed his power, he can be manipulated by Magneto.
no chance he is high herald. i think low herald is pretty fair actually. he could reach mid i guess--the boundary between low and mid can be blurry.
also, accidentally going back in time is supposed to HELP his case....? shows a lack of control imo. abhi, do you have the dr polaris fight? can't recall if i've seen it. i think i remember one where he helped the jla, but i don't remember the details if that's one of them....
Originally posted by leonidas
no chance he is high herald. i think low herald is pretty fair actually. he could reach mid i guess--the boundary between low and mid can be blurry.also, accidentally going back in time is supposed to HELP his case....? shows a lack of control imo. abhi, do you have the dr polaris fight? can't recall if i've seen it. i think i remember one where he helped the jla, but i don't remember the details if that's one of them....
It's more about if Mags can react to someone who moves FTL.
Magneto has a couple pretty ridiculous reaction feats, including seemingly raising his shields after Dazzler fires a light attack (iirc anyways, it's been a couple years since I read the whole scene).
He also has some ridiculous durability feats though, especially to energy attacks. I don't think it's utterly impossible for Ray to win this fight, but I do think that Magneto has the edge here, and should take a strong majority.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you think he can react to someone faster than light?
Not sure. Photon was able to get through his shields and she's about FTL. Supposedly, she has done this a few times.
Losing to Arthur Light isn't a low showing, considering what he has done. He can control ALL light. Even mystic based energy as well. I'd say he's about as skilled as Magneto, maybe even more so, because of his versatility. This is a guy who also took down Superman once, IIRC.
Originally posted by leonidas
but mags has FAR more high end feats than ray does and light DID manipulate his energy form. those are reasons enough for me to think mags would take him but at this point the thread will just become tedious with one side saying he can and one side saying he can't. mags' history and feats are unquestionable. ray's, not so much. that's enough for me.
i don't think anyone said it would be easy--least i didn't. mags isn't always shown as capable of the proteus feat, unfortunately. i said earlier, i think ray has a chance. both at their best though, i'll take mags.
re: reactions--he's bent laser beams that have been fired at him, caught bullets multiple times raised shields seemingly instantly. he can see/sense all forms of energy. that alone would suggest he'd be able to react.
