yeah, that's cool. a fight with mags would be different than this went though--more of an energy struggle. meh, i think it safe to say that anyone who thought it would be easy one way or the other has been proven wrong. i'll still take mags though. and the dazzler scene was never a part of my own reasoning for his being able to counter ray. a lot also has to do with his ability to perceive energy in all its forms. some good stuff shown by you though. 👆 maybe if i get some time tomorrow i'll revisit this and add some mags stuff. many of his feats are pretty well known, but it might be worth showing a couple just as a refresher for those following along.
Originally posted by cdtm
Continued:I forgot about him performing laser surgery on part of Dr. Polaris's brain. That's some pretty serious control, right there, especially considering it's from the pre Priest mini, with no experience at all.
Originally posted by zopzop
Just a comment on the scene with Magneto reacting to Northstar's attack. He caught him and claimed Northstar was "nowhere near as fast as his son." Which is 100% bullsh|t.The writer was an idiot so take that into consideration when discussing whether Magneto would react in time to a light speed blitz from a herald level being (aka Ray).
Or the writer was speaking very highly of Quicksilver (Magneto has caught him as well).
Originally posted by beatboks
You know what to get this much strong discussion on the Ray (one of my favorite non magic characters) is a huge win IMO.When I get home from work I might throw a few of his scans in myself, nicely done though cdtm
👆 please do. The Ray is such an underrated character that people forget.
Ray "the JLA's most powerful member"
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV176-Page16.jpg.html
Energy level "potentially" limitless (certaily more than JLA sensors could take)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/raysenergypotential.jpg.html
The reason Rot wanted ray
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV177-Page4.jpg.html
(again we see more of the hot head blast first and sort out the issue alter that cdtm mentioned)
then we have Ray drawing the energy back
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV177-Page19.jpg.html
Ray learns a new trick even greater versatility
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV176-Page18.jpg.html
GL like constructs (couple of many)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf18-13.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf21-13.jpg.html
Despite being a hot head in battle Ray is far from stupid. computer hacker/programmer extraordinaire
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf19-20.jpg.html
So much so that an algorithm he wrote to control one of his light constructs ( built a light construct around a laptop) became self aware and his greatest enemy
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueTaskForce28-Page20.jpg.html
As for the argument if Ray blitzes in character, almost constantly
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf32-18.jpg.html
Nothing to state he's going light speed, but he isn't taking it easy. There are other examples where it's shown you can't "lock onto the guy" with target systems because of his speed.
This is interesting. Been a long time since I saw the Ray.
On one hand, Magneto has some pretty impressive feats with his magnetic powers, and the Dr. Light incident where he controlled the Ray (don't remember it, but going on the other comments). So Mags might stand a good chance.
On the other hand we have a similar character like Photon bypassing his shields. Now in a different issue I remember Photon turning into neutrinos, not one of her normal powers and I'm not sure if it was a writer's error, but neutrinos could certainly go through magnetic fields unaffected.
I don't think Ray does neutrinos. But presumably like Photon he can do gamma rays, which are also unaffected by electromagnetism. So there's an option.
Ray also has the ridiculous speed on his side.
So, is Mags control over energy forms as good as Light's? Probably not because that's Lights thing. But is it good enough to overcome Ray, or can Ray uses speed or turn into something that Magnetic can't really affect?
Given Mag's longer history and more feats, maybe I'm inclined to give him a slight edge here. But from what I remember of Ray I think he can take some or even just stalemate.
Originally posted by beatboks
Ray "the JLA's most powerful member"
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV176-Page16.jpg.htmlEnergy level "potentially" limitless (certaily more than JLA sensors could take)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/raysenergypotential.jpg.html
The reason Rot wanted ray
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV177-Page4.jpg.html
(again we see more of the hot head blast first and sort out the issue alter that cdtm mentioned)then we have Ray drawing the energy back
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV177-Page19.jpg.htmlRay learns a new trick even greater versatility
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueAmericaV176-Page18.jpg.htmlGL like constructs (couple of many)
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf18-13.jpg.htmlhttp://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf21-13.jpg.html
Despite being a hot head in battle Ray is far from stupid. computer hacker/programmer extraordinaire
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf19-20.jpg.htmlSo much so that an algorithm he wrote to control one of his light constructs ( built a light construct around a laptop) became self aware and his greatest enemy
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/JusticeLeagueTaskForce28-Page20.jpg.htmlAs for the argument if Ray blitzes in character, almost constantly
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/The%20Ray/justiceleaguetf32-18.jpg.html
Nothing to state he's going light speed, but he isn't taking it easy. There are other examples where it's shown you can't "lock onto the guy" with target systems because of his speed.
Rock and roll. 👆
Some might argue this next one is not completely relevant, because it deals with a future version of Ray, who became a heartless corporatist Gordon Gekko type by working for Vandal Savage, and eventually beating him in a hostile takeover.
DC time travel doesn't work like Marvel does, which is why some take future Orion's feat of resetting the universe in Rock of Ages as canon. Take this how you will:
Originally posted by Existere
This is awesome. You guys should definitely throw together a respect thread for Ray.
He's certainly deserving of one and way underrated. I'll do my part but I was actually surprised how few scans I had in my Ray scan folder ( especially considering how many times I used him in tourneys on other sites).
ATM I can't really scan a lot more. Down to a couple hundred MB on my desktop storage and badly in need of cleaning it up. Despite addin a 1tb internal drive to the 750 gb it came with. What you get for using the damn thing as a media server for the house with a few wi fi and networking media players drawing movies, tv shows and music direct from it.
Originally posted by beatboks
He's certainly deserving of one and way underrated. I'll do my part but I was actually surprised how few scans I had in my Ray scan folder ( especially considering how many times I used him in tourneys on other sites).ATM I can't really scan a lot more. Down to a couple hundred MB on my desktop storage and badly in need of cleaning it up. Despite addin a 1tb internal drive to the 750 gb it came with. What you get for using the damn thing as a media server for the house with a few wi fi and networking media players drawing movies, tv shows and music direct from it.
I don't have his mini or solo series(unfortunately), but have all of JUSTICE LEAGUE TASK FORCE and I think all the JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA comics and would be willing to help if you'd want.
Originally posted by basilisk
This is interesting. Been a long time since I saw the Ray.On one hand, Magneto has some pretty impressive feats with his magnetic powers, and the Dr. Light incident where he controlled the Ray (don't remember it, but going on the other comments). So Mags might stand a good chance.
On the other hand we have a similar character like Photon bypassing his shields. Now in a different issue I remember Photon turning into neutrinos, not one of her normal powers and I'm not sure if it was a writer's error, but neutrinos could certainly go through magnetic fields unaffected.
I don't think Ray does neutrinos. But presumably like Photon he can do gamma rays, which are also unaffected by electromagnetism. So there's an option.
Ray also has the ridiculous speed on his side.
So, is Mags control over energy forms as good as Light's? Probably not because that's Lights thing. But is it good enough to overcome Ray, or can Ray uses speed or turn into something that Magnetic can't really affect?
Given Mag's longer history and more feats, maybe I'm inclined to give him a slight edge here. But from what I remember of Ray I think he can take some or even just stalemate.
that's a fair enuff assessment. but, while gamma rays may not be affected by magnetism, it IS part of the em spectrum, and as such, within the scope of mags' power to control.
here are a few scans to show some different things (just so people don't think we mags' people were talking out of our arses):
affects STONE by manipulating the iron atoms in it demonstrating atomic levels of control:
http://i.imgur.com/GNqAhh0.jpg
a cool feat--slices his way through the earth's em field:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/30027/535118-magcutsaswath8vm.jpg
if ray DID go solid, it would be interesting to see what he would do if mags simply tried something like this:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47999/1113829-magripsapartneo7do.jpg
surely it would count as a forum win at the least....
here again he shows control over the em spectrum by rendering himself invisible and practically undetectable--even by black bolt:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/58698/1113503-visionandthescarletwitcjo3.png
here is the dazzler illusion--thing here is, even though it's illusion, dazzler admits that she KNEW mags would shield against her...so i don't think it illogical to assume this is what would have happened.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/58698/1113505-magcontrolsphotons0ki.png
more atomic control--very impressive, considering this was NOT metal:
http://i.imgur.com/ZR0rv1B.jpg
i could show the whole fight against phoenix as well, which would show ludicrous durability if anyone wants to see it. here he reacts to northstar who moves at 99.999% of light speed and a couple others, courtesy of phil:
Originally posted by Philosophía
[b]Magneto's physical abilitiesDue to the nature of his powers, his reaction time and other atributes are far above normal
He is capable of grabbing Northstar by the neck mid-speedblitz.
React during Nightcrawler's teleportation.
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(& putting up a barrier against an attack by Colossus & Rogue from behind afterwards)Deflecting bullets after being fired.
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(& stopping one mid-air)
i could post some scans with statements regarding his power level, but statements only mean so much. in general, everyone knows he is among the most powerful of all mutants. if he decided to go invisible (he's actually used it a couple times), that would also give him a helpful edge.
anyway, there are many more scans i could show for mags. his history is sooo long. i've learned a lot about ray in this thread though, but i still give the win to mags because of experience and overall skill/control. keep posting ray stuff though and if i get the chance i can try adding more for mags.
Originally posted by beatboks
He's certainly deserving of one and way underrated. I'll do my part but I was actually surprised how few scans I had in my Ray scan folder ( especially considering how many times I used him in tourneys on other sites).ATM I can't really scan a lot more. Down to a couple hundred MB on my desktop storage and badly in need of cleaning it up. Despite addin a 1tb internal drive to the 750 gb it came with. What you get for using the damn thing as a media server for the house with a few wi fi and networking media players drawing movies, tv shows and music direct from it.
You should.
Originally posted by leonidasMagneto is stated to be alpha level ain't he? Their is some proof that he is also omega...i think it has something to do with his clone...
that's a fair enuff assessment. but, while gamma rays may not be affected by magnetism, it IS part of the em spectrum, and as such, within the scope of mags' power to control.here are a few scans to show some different things (just so people don't think we mags' people were talking out of our arses):
affects STONE by manipulating the iron atoms in it demonstrating atomic levels of control:
http://i.imgur.com/GNqAhh0.jpg
a cool feat--slices his way through the earth's em field:
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/30027/535118-magcutsaswath8vm.jpg
if ray DID go solid, it would be interesting to see what he would do if mags simply tried something like this:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47999/1113829-magripsapartneo7do.jpg
surely it would count as a forum win at the least....
here again he shows control over the em spectrum by rendering himself invisible and practically undetectable--even by black bolt:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/58698/1113503-visionandthescarletwitcjo3.png
here is the dazzler illusion--thing here is, even though it's illusion, dazzler admits that she KNEW mags would shield against her...so i don't think it illogical to assume this is what would have happened.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/58698/1113505-magcontrolsphotons0ki.png
more atomic control--very impressive, considering this was NOT metal:
http://i.imgur.com/ZR0rv1B.jpg
i could show the whole fight against phoenix as well, which would show ludicrous durability if anyone wants to see it. here he reacts to northstar who moves at 99.999% of light speed and a couple others, courtesy of phil:
i could post some scans with statements regarding his power level, but statements only mean so much. in general, everyone knows he is among the most powerful of all mutants. if he decided to go invisible (he's actually used it a couple times), that would also give him a helpful edge.
anyway, there are many more scans i could show for mags. his history is sooo long. i've learned a lot about ray in this thread though, but i still give the win to mags because of experience and overall skill/control. keep posting ray stuff though and if i get the chance i can try adding more for mags.
Originally posted by carver9Omega level mutant needs to have abilities that contain unlimited power. Mags powers covers the entire EM spectrum and can do a lot of crazy shit with it. But it ends there so that is why people still classify him as an alpha level mutant.
Naah, he's always been an Omega level mutant. I thought that statement was only referred too by mutants but they are calling Hulk Omega level as well. So I don't know what that means anymore tbh. Well, in the Marvel Universe j dont.
Hulk is an omega level threat. Their is a difference between calling a threat and classifying a mutant abilities.
