Ra's al ghul vs Captain America (unarmed h2h)

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The immortality doesn't factor into Ra's skill set. It just brings him back to life and deages him if he is to die. It doesn't give him super speed/strength, greater agility, greater fighting skills, or anything.

Caps ability to fight is completely dependent on his SSS.

Your comparison kind of falls flat because of that.

That said, I agree. Why are people bringing up cap pre-SSS?

You don't think being in a normal 78 year old body would effect Ra's ability to fight?

I wonder how the fight would go if it was Ra's in his 78 yr old body vs. Asthmatic 5 foot steve rogers.

Pre-SSS Steve was doing a decent job of making it through boot camp.

Originally posted by KingD19
It factors into his ability to fight. A 78 year old man or older in an appropriately aged body will not be in anything near fighting shape. He'll be lucky to be able to walk normal speed at that age.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't think being in a normal 78 year old body would effect Ra's ability to fight?

And if you guys want to go that route, Ra's never said he used the Lazarus Pit. The pit hasn't even shown up in the show yet, so as far as we know, Ra's is just a really skilled 78 year old.

the fact that he's immortal has no bearing on his fighting style, the fact that the serum amps caps physical stats has a DIRECT relation to how he fights so try another way to be a smartass. I don't even know why we are arguing; we all agree that Cap wins, you all just seem to think Cap wins so easily. Think of a martial arts style like wing chun; invented by a woman to effectively take out those that are physically stronger than them, that is how a fight between Ras and Cap would go; Ras would use his superior skill to hurt Cap until Cap catches him and wallops him. So, to reiterate, Cap wins but by no means is it a walk in the park for him, in fact the fight would be more even than you think.

Originally posted by KingD19
It factors into his ability to fight. A 78 year old man or older in an appropriately aged body will not be in anything near fighting shape. He'll be lucky to be able to walk normal speed at that age.

Your point is mute because Ra's isn't in a 78 year old body, he is in a much younger one. No one else is discussing this because it doesn't give him an edge. Sure a 78 year old would have a harder time fighting but so would skinny ass no steroids cap. But that is not what we are discussing here

Ra's could use submission holds and pressure points to inflict damage on Cap. Cap just has alot harder striking power and durability. Cap doesn't have any fighting style that would phase Ra's. But Ra's has more than enough skill to phase Cap. The only question is if Ra's can effectively deal with Caps super human stats which as I stated he does have ways around it

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Ra's could use submission holds and pressure points to inflict damage on Cap. Cap just has alot harder striking power and durability. Cap doesn't have any fighting style that would phase Ra's. But Ra's has more than enough skill to phase Cap. The only question is if Ra's can effectively deal with Caps super human stats which as I stated he does have ways around it

Yes. IF Cap can hit him. That is what I'm trying to say. Ra's knows how to deal with every fighting style Cap is bringing to the table. The problem will be Cap actually getting his hands on Ra's but once Cap does he will do a lot of damage. But h2h doesn't always goto the guy who packs the biggest wallop!

It goes to the guy who is better in literally every physical category by a large margin. i.e. Cap.

Unless Ra's is Karate Kid, him being more skilled doesn't change the fact that Cap is Army/SHIELD(meaning he's very skilled) trained and stronger, faster, more durable, etc...

Originally posted by KingD19
It goes to the guy who is better in literally every physical category by a large margin. i.e. Cap.

Unless Ra's is Karate Kid, him being more skilled doesn't change the fact that Cap is Army/SHIELD(meaning he's very skilled) trained and stronger, faster, more durable, etc...

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Cap is shield meaning he is skilled. Okay?? Ra's is the kingpin of the league of assassins meaning he is 20x more skilled

If you look back I never claimed Cap is as skilled as Ra's. I said he is a trained Army soldier, and a trained SHIELD agent making him highly skilled in his own right.

Ra's being 20x more skilled means jack diddly when Cap moves faster than him, can tank all of his hits, and can literally send him flying with a single hit. Even a glancing hit will break his bones if Cap is trying.

Because even though Ra's is more skilled, his body isn't superhuman so he can't keep up with Cap actually putting in effort.

This is simple, how are you not getting it?

High End Skills + Superhuman Stats >>>> Higher Skill + Normal Stats

Would you favor Bruce Lee in a fight vs a US Marine who can punch people 15 feet through the air and easily survive a several hundred foot drop onto an aircraft carrier? And look at Cap clearing Batroc's ship in the beginning of Cap 2. He's more than skilled enough to take it to Ra's.

Cap wins.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Yes. IF Cap can hit him. That is what I'm trying to say. Ra's knows how to deal with every fighting style Cap is bringing to the table. The problem will be Cap actually getting his hands on Ra's but once Cap does he will do a lot of damage. But h2h doesn't always goto the guy who packs the biggest wallop!

You make it sound as if Cap is some slow moving brickhouse. He's not. The question here should be whether Ra's can actually hit Cap.

In a match with weapons (like swords, for example), skill counts for a lot more than it does in an h2h fight. I'd give Ra's the win over Cap in that kind of contest, because Cap hasn't shown any kind of skill or training with bladed weapons.

However, this is h2h, and physical stats play a huge factor here. Ra's is more skilled but that won't be enough. Fact is that Cap going all out would break Ra's' bones. It took repeated blows from Winter Soldier's metal arm to do any real notable superficial damage to a worn out, gunshot, stabbed and bleeding Cap, so Ra's is going to have a hell of a time hurting him.

If this was a weapons fight, wouldn't Cap have his shield rather than a sword?

I'd take Cap w/Shield over Ra's w/Sword 10/10.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If this was a weapons fight, wouldn't Cap have his shield rather than a sword?

Depends on the match stips. Last weapons match anyone made between these two was a sword fight. Cap is very prone to throwing his shield around though, which is a bad idea when facing a guy with a big sharp blade. Ra's showed great combat awareness as well when he fought 8 assassins at once, so I don't think he'd fall for the shield ricochet thing Cap sometimes does.

Basically, my view is that h2h goes to Cap, sword duel goes to Ra's, and Ra's with swords and Cap with his shield could be a toss up.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'd take Cap w/Shield over Ra's w/Sword 10/10.

I wouldn't. If Brock Rumlow can connect Cap with those stun batons multiple times, the world's oldest and most skilled assassin can tag him with swords. Not saying it would be easy, but it's a very likely outcome.

Sure, as long as Ra's has the help of 7 or 8 other soldiers and the fight takes place in a elevator....you know, like the scene where Brock managed it.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Yes. IF Cap can hit him. That is what I'm trying to say. Ra's knows how to deal with every fighting style Cap is bringing to the table. The problem will be Cap actually getting his hands on Ra's but once Cap does he will do a lot of damage. But h2h doesn't always goto the guy who packs the biggest wallop!

Skill means nothing before vastly greater strength, speed, and toughness. The most skilled human couldn't hope to defeat a rhino with his bare hands. The same is true of Ra's vs. Cap.