Originally posted by Based
Arrow kept up with Barry's movements, tanked his punches and even laid out a hit.
To be fair, Barry is a moron when it comes to fighting.
If he had half a brain he wouldn't try to get the heat and cold guns to cross, he'd run in and punch the cr@p out of both of them before they knew he was there.
Also, he should carry a bat or something.
oh man cmon guys... Ra's is skilled but he is in no way hurting cap long enough to beat him before cap either one shots him, shatters his jaw/ribs or just sends him flying. As another said, cap has tanked hits from a metal arm that was shattering concrete and ripping apart cars. If you believe ra's is hurting cap with blunt force you are mistaken.
Someone also said Ra's could submit cap....um yea naw. ANY hold he gets on cap will EASILY be pried open, and once cap has a grip on him its a wrap. IF this was a weapon fight it could go either way, but h2h is spite. Ra's cant put cap down no matter how skilled he is.
Cap has plenty of feats to show his skill and strength. Ra's simply hasn't shown much yet. Based on what we have seen so far he is skilled, sure, but absolutely in no way whatsoever a threat to Cap. Perhaps once he has been featured a bit more and displayed more feats this will be a better argument, but as the majority the votes have shown, Cap takes this fairly comfortably.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure, as long as Ra's has the help of 7 or 8 other soldiers and the fight takes place in a elevator....you know, like the scene where Brock managed it.
Yeah, except all the other guys were floored and Cap had both his hands free at that point. I mean it's not like Ra's has fought similar numbers of skilled opponents while remaining in a similarly sized space before, dispatching them all far more quickly and easily... but I guess defeating members of a group of assassins who displayed enough skill to defeat a numerically superior group of superhumans is no longer impressive.
People do seem to like throwing out the "Just human" argument but forget that skilled humans in the Arrowverse often achieve feats that would be considered superhuman in the real world. 200mph arrow catches, just to name one example that occurs fairly frequently. People can research it if they want. No regular human, no matter how skilled, can perform arrow catches in the manner they do on the show. Some really skilled humans get lucky catching slower moving arrows, with blunt tips and from longer distances away, with preparation, but that's it. This would put any of the people in the show who can do those harder catches in the low superhuman category for reaction times and speed. And Ra's has been shown superior to virtually all of these people.
Now those things don't mean much in this fight. Like I said myself, in H2H Ra's doesn't have the strength to hurt Cap. But if you give Ra's a weapon that is actually capable of hurting Cap, it becomes a different story. So while some people still seem to insist that Cap stomps Ra's under any conditions, I am not one of them. I think a weapons much could go either way under most conditions, especially if both are in character.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap didn't remove the cuff until after the fight, so no, he didn't have both hands free at that point.Not to mention that Cap was unarmed at that point and Brock had two stun batons.
He was capable of using both his hands while confronting Brock. He frees his arm using his legs, then does a flip off the wall, drops the last few no-name agents, and then faces Rumlow. He then blocks attempted strikes with both arms (but takes 2 hits in the process) and then smashes Rumlow into the ceiling with both arms again so, unless he has a third arm, he most certainly had both free.
And I never said Cap was armed there. But his opponent at the time isn't as skilled as the one in this thread (nor does he have the speed or reaction times), and a pair of swords has greater range and deadliness than a pair of stun batons. Point is that Cap is not guaranteed a 10/10, or even a majority, against Ra's if both get the weapon of their choice, at least not IMO.
Cap still stomps this fight though.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
That was a magnetic cuff that seemed to cling to the wall of the elevator if he got too close to the sides. Not too unreasonable to theorize that it hindered his movement, IMO.
Could be speculated that it did affect him, but I highly doubt it did so to any notable degree, considering multiple Shield agents basically had to drag him towards the side of the elevator before the cuff showed any real effect.
But anyway, that's an argument for another day. Pretty sure the consensus here is that Ra's doesn't have a hope against Steve in H2H.