Originally posted by Henry_Pym
?So in your opinion is Thor is more skilled than either of them?
Exactly when did I say this, or anything even remotely like this? I said that Ra's is vastly more experienced than Cap. That being said, Ra's has been alive for over a 160 years, and has been the head of the League for nearly 7 decades at least. It would stand to reason that having over a century longer to practice his art, his skills are most likely more finely honed than Steve's. The fact that, as a "peak human" in Arrow, he was able to effortlessly defeat other individuals who have more than held their own against metahumans is also a testament to his skill level.
Ollie gets his ass kicked by Merlyn regularly, who got beaten up by Nyssa, who I would assume is below Ra's - not to mention Slade whooped Ollie's butt again on the island recently. In H2H Ollie is not really that good against skilled and trained opponents - he's really much better with his fancy bow and arrow.
From their onscreen feats Ollie should present no significant challenge to Black Widow.
Watching a fight between Nyssa and Black Widow might be fun to watch, though.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwelleryou literally just restated when you said that... Experience =/= skill
Exactly when did I say this, or anything even remotely like this? I said that Ra's is vastly more experienced than Cap. That being said, Ra's has been alive for over a 160 years, and has been the head of the League for nearly 7 decades at least. It would stand to reason that having over a century longer to practice his art, his skills are most likely more finely honed than Steve's. The fact that, as a "peak human" in Arrow, he was able to effortlessly defeat other individuals who have more than held their own against metahumans is also a testament to his skill level.
Cap held his own against Loki who would steamroll the arrow verse and probably Flash's aswell (unsure if poison would effect Loki)
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
you literally just restated when you said that... Experience =/= skillCap held his own against Loki who would steamroll the arrow verse and probably Flash's aswell (unsure if poison would effect Loki)
You clearly lack the ability to comprehend English very well. At no point whatsoever do I say that more experience automatically means better skill. But disregarding the MASSIVE amount of extra time Ra's had to learn more, develop and hone his skills etc. is facepalm-worthy. More time does not automatically mean more skill. But when someone has literaly had lifetimes longer than another person to train and fight, they generally develop a more polished skill set. And that is ignoring the fact that he has made people, who themselves have held their own against superhumans, look like utter amateurs.
But then you claim that Hawkeye (who has no notable H2H against anyone of worth) would kill Arrow, so I really should not be surprised. The only thing Hawkeye has over Arrow, based on feats, is bow accuracy.
And Cap did not hold his own against Loki. His blows did no damage whatsoever and Loki casually tossed him around. And this was Loki who was not utilising any of his exotic powers and wanted to be taken captured to get onto the Helicarrier. Also, the notion that Loki could steamroll the entire Arrow/Flash verse on his own is laughable. He would never even come close to tagging guys like Reverse Flash.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You clearly lack the ability to comprehend English very well. At no point whatsoever do I say that more experience automatically means better skill. But disregarding the MASSIVE amount of extra time Ra's had to learn more, develop and hone his skills etc. is facepalm-worthy. More time does not automatically mean more skill. But when someone has literaly had lifetimes longer than another person to train and fight, they generally develop a more polished skill set. And that is ignoring the fact that he has made people, who themselves have held their own against superhumans, look like utter amateurs.
Sooo breaking it down. What you're saying is:
1) nowhere did you say more experience = more skill
BUT
2) we should not disregard experience.
BECAUSE
3) more experience = more polished skill (generally)
Sooo, you're saying more skill =/= more polished skill? I mean a lot of us would think having a more polished skillset makes one more skillful but that's just us...
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
But then you claim that Hawkeye (who has no notable H2H against anyone of worth) would kill Arrow, so I really should not be surprised. The only thing Hawkeye has over Arrow, based on feats, is bow accuracy.
He was mowing down (with difficulty) Chitauri in Avengers in H2H. Those were legit superhumans.
Originally posted by FrothByte
BW and Hawkeye combined don't have the feats to match Oliver, at least not in h2h.
Ollie on his own couldn't take Merlyn, who got a beating from Nyssa, who is basically DC's version of Black Widow at the moment.
Which means in H2H Ollie wouldn't stand a chance against Black Widow.
Originally posted by DreampantherThat was an inexperienced Ollie. He, Merlyn, and Nyssa were all fighting on equal footing.
Ollie on his own couldn't take Merlyn, who got a beating from Nyssa, who is basically DC's version of Black Widow at the moment.Which means in H2H Ollie wouldn't stand a chance against Black Widow.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
That was an inexperienced Ollie. He, Merlyn, and Nyssa were all fighting on equal footing.
Not sure we're talking about the same scenes. I'm talking about the fact that Ollie has agreed to be trained by Merlyn in the last couple of episodes, meaning he acknowledges Merlyn as the better fighter, and Merlyn then got taken out by a fairly p!ssed Nyssa, while Merlyn was fighting for his life. Seems pretty clear that it's Nyssa at the top, followed by Merlyn and Ollie at the bottom (in H2H anyway).
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Not sure we're talking about the same scenes. I'm talking about the fact that Ollie has agreed to be trained by Merlyn in the last couple of episodes, meaning he acknowledges Merlyn as the better fighter, and Merlyn then got taken out by a fairly p!ssed Nyssa, while Merlyn was fighting for his life. Seems pretty clear that it's Nyssa at the top, followed by Merlyn and Ollie at the bottom (in H2H anyway).
And yet Merlyn, Nyssa and Oliver all have more respectable h2h feats than BW and Hawkeye. These are guys who easily catch arrows out of the air.
I mean, what kind of h2h feats do BW and Hawkeye have that make you think they're better? Because they can beat fodder?
Originally posted by FrothByte
What Superhumans? Chitauri?
Yes, the Chitauri were superhuman.
They were clinging themselves against the sides of buildings after falling hundreds of feet with grip strength alone and digging the stone out of the sides, and crumpling cars beneath them and not even slowing down.