Originally posted by DreampantherAh, my mistake. I haven't seen the last 3 episodes yet. I thought you were taking about this scene where Ollie fights Nyssa on equal ground till Merlyn shows up and takes her out in 15 seconds. Then Ollie stops him from killing her in the split second after.
Not sure we're talking about the same scenes. I'm talking about the fact that Ollie has agreed to be trained by Merlyn in the last couple of episodes, meaning he acknowledges Merlyn as the better fighter, and Merlyn then got taken out by a fairly p!ssed Nyssa, while Merlyn was fighting for his life. Seems pretty clear that it's Nyssa at the top, followed by Merlyn and Ollie at the bottom (in H2H anyway).
What were the circumstances in the episode you're talking about? The one I've seen is pretty fair with all 3 having their normal gear and being in top shape.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet Merlyn, Nyssa and Oliver all have more respectable h2h feats than BW and Hawkeye. These are guys who easily catch arrows out of the air.I mean, what kind of h2h feats do BW and Hawkeye have that make you think they're better? Because they can beat fodder?
Uhm, this seems to be another misunderstanding - I have never once mentioned Hawkeye in this debate. As for feats: Since you are the one claiming M, N and O have more respectable H2H, the burden of proof is actually yours, but sure, I'll play this time.
Here are some of her more obvious feats:
- In IM2, BW takes out a dozen guards without one of them laying a finger on her.
- In Avengers, she takes out two soldiers and an officer, while tied to a chair and with her hands tied behind her back.
- She takes out Hawkeye who seems to have a fighting style similar to Ollie, while dodging the arrows he shoots at her.
- She takes on the Chitauri, trained alien soldiers with superhuman strength two or three at a time, dodging their blasts and using their own weapons against them.
- In Winter Soldier, she takes out two trained mercenaries similar to Slade without any significant difficulty.
*Shrug*
Ollie couldn't even beat a depowered Slade without help from his sister, and having to ask Merlyn to train him means he is not even close to Nyssa's skill, so I definitely don't think they are on the same level.
However, if you want to continue to debate it, start a separate thread with a poll for us to vote, and we'll see what everybody else thinks.
As for this thread, I think the result is pretty clear.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Ah, my mistake. I haven't seen the last 3 episodes yet. I thought you were taking about this scene where Ollie fights Nyssa on equal ground till Merlyn shows up and takes her out in 15 seconds. Then Ollie stops him from killing her in the split second after.What were the circumstances in the episode you're talking about? The one I've seen is pretty fair with all 3 having their normal gear and being in top shape.
Ah, no worries - in that case I apologise for the confusion 🙂
I don't really want to spoil it for you - are you sure you want me to tell you what happens in the last couple of episodes? It's kind of essential to the plot, and I hate it when people spoil it for me. If you really want, I'll tell you, but I think you'll enjoy it more if you watch it yourself.
Originally posted by DreampantherGood point. I'd rather not get spoiled so I'll come back to this once I see it
Ah, no worries - in that case I apologise for the confusion 🙂I don't really want to spoil it for you - are you sure you want me to tell you what happens in the last couple of episodes? It's kind of essential to the plot, and I hate it when people spoil it for me. If you really want, I'll tell you, but I think you'll enjoy it more if you watch it yourself.