Generally when the term cheerleader is used in a debate it's referring to people that only post in topics to praise someone, so me pointing out your blatant double standards can in no way make me your cheerleader.
I'd suggest you look up the term, but you'd just end up posting another rambling diatribe filled with buzz words in a futile attempt to convince people that you understood the term.
Originally posted by Robtard
Did I say Mason was an "all time great"? I didn't. I said he was an in-his-prime reigning heavy weight champ, which is a fact60+ year old brain damaged Balboa still held his own against an in-his-prime heavy weight champ, which is the point
You can disagree with my maths all you like and I welcome it, but please show your numbers that discredit it. I took the time to crunch digits
I would also like to point out that you'll insist something that is heavily implied "doesn't count unless it's explicitly stated or shown", yet you'll in the next breath dismiss something that is explicitly stated or shown if it doesn't agree with you. eg your dismissal of Drago's 1850psi punch despite it being explicitly shown to us
Come on big Robbie, you want me to crunch numbers for a subject that has no precedent or formula on how to crunch them? What's worse, we already know what someone physical prime range is, and Rocky was past that. Further, there is no proof of him aging faster or having a later prime than a normal human. There is zero supporting evidence for such a claim, which further reinforces how silly it is to entertain the idea of crunching numbers let alone trying it.
Mason was a mediocre to poor HW champ is the reality. A meh champ who didn't want to fight, didn't take the fight seriously, and injured his best hand almost at the start of the fight. This is what I would call a non factor for proving much of anything.
Originally posted by Robtard
Because you brought it upBody fat and water weight will do that. The pics clearly show that Rocky IV has not only greater muscle definition, but more muscle mass. Take note of the pectorals, deltoids, abdominals, biceps and assorted muscles of the forearms especially
Your list has been countered, all Rocky III had on Rocky IV is Speed and Agility, which makes sense since boxers lose those first as they age over Strength, power, durability and stamina. But 2 out of 6 traits does not make a superior Balboa. Or using maths: 4 > 2
So you're just going to ignore the pics because they prove Rocky IV had bigger and manlier muscles than Rocky II?
Ummm he can't have greater muscle mass if he's weighing 30 pounds less. Water weight comes in AFTER they weigh-in not before. So the weights listed are before they hydrated the night before and day of the fight. Typically this is about 8-15 pounds... Certainly would never be 30. What we can say is that Rocky is more defined and cut (which makes sense as trimmed down for Rocky 3) and he clearly continued the trend of less is more.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ha.
Don't post anymore in this thread... You believe Drago or any professional fighter can punch at their punch power for the entire fight, and what's worse, actually would choose to do so (Which is exactly what they train you not to do) Therefore, your posting privileges have been revoked for this thread.
Umm, yes he can, more weight doesn't automatically mean more muscle mass. You can have a professional bodybuilder who weighs 250lbs and is 2-3% body fat and a lazy couch surfing fat man who weighs 300lbs cos of pure blubber. Height being equal for both, body builder while have more muscle mass, despite being 50lbs lighter. The hell with some of the claims in this thread
Rocky IV leaned out severely compared to Rocky II, but he clearly has more muscle mass, saying otherwise is moronic
Originally posted by Robtard
Umm, yes he can, more weight doesn't automatically mean more muscle mass. You can have a professional bodybuilder who weighs 250lbs and is 2-3% body fat and a lazy couch surfing fat man who weighs 300lbs cos of pure blubber. Height being equal for both, body builder while have more muscle mass, despite being 50lbs lighter. The hell with some of the claims in this threadRocky IV leaned out severely compared to Rocky II, but he clearly has more muscle mass, saying otherwise is moronic
This is the same person with the same height... What I'm telling you is.. If one is 30 pounds lighter (assuming he wasn't some overweight slob in Rocky 2, which he wasn't as we know) than he wouldn't have more muscle. He was training to fight for the HW championship in the world, and trained by what would be the best trainer in the Rockyverse who wouldn't bring him in out of shape. Thus, we can safely say he wasn't overweight and out of shape. So what we are left with is one fighter weighing 30 more pounds than another BEFORE hydration occurs. To even say Rocky still had more muscle mass being 30 pounds lighter and knowing Rocky 2 was in peak shape for that fight.. is even more moronic 😉
Oh my, In reality and the normal world, a person can go down some in weight, yet gain more muscle mass. So it's not beyond reason that fictional Rocky in cartoonish land could do the same
Look at the pics, Rocky IV clearly has more muscle mass, besides being leaner and shredded
I'd also like to see the 30lbs difference between the films. Everything I find they're within 12-13lbs of each other, cos 30lbs would look drastic on Rocky, which we don't see between pics, So proof? 🙂
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSome comments are too funny to take seriously. I stop having a serious conversation on this subject when he mentioned water weight as a factor. I wouldn't waste to much time on this subject unless you are in the mood too.
This is the same person with the same height... What I'm telling you is.. If one is 30 pounds lighter (assuming he wasn't some overweight slob in Rocky 2, which he wasn't as we know) than he wouldn't have more muscle. He was training to fight for the HW championship in the world, and trained by what would be the best trainer in the Rockyverse who wouldn't bring him in out of shape. Thus, we can safely say he wasn't overweight and out of shape. So what we are left with is one fighter weighing 30 more pounds than another BEFORE hydration occurs. To even say Rocky still had more muscle mass being 30 pounds lighter and knowing Rocky 2 was in peak shape for that fight.. is even more moronic 😉
Originally posted by RobtardTo be serious for a moment. You mentioned water weight which you have to prove was a major factor in the 27 pound difference between Rocky II and IV.
Oh my, In reality and the normal world, a person can go down some in weight, yet gain more muscle mass. So it's not beyond reason that fictional Rocky in cartoonish land could do the sameLook at the pics, Rocky IV clearly has more muscle mass, besides being leaner and shredded
I'd also like to see the 30lbs difference between the films. Everything I find they're within 12-13lbs of each other, cos 30lbs would look drastic on Rocky, which we don't see between pics, So proof? 🙂
You should also know that water weight, not fat is he first to go when you exercise. Water weight is lost on a daily basis by people. Fat is not. So with intense training it is more than reasonable to conclude that Rocky II was muscle weight not water weight.
Plus Stallone wanted to gain more weight and muscle mass for Rocky II then he had in part I.
That is my last two cents on this subject.
I said water and fat. Professional athletes can lose a lot of weight just by dehydrating themselves though, you should now that
You should know that there's nothing you can teach me about the body and training that I don't already know
The pics say otherwise
Because I took the rest of your money and then gave you the finger
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh my, In reality and the normal world, a person can go down some in weight, yet gain more muscle mass. So it's not beyond reason that fictional Rocky in cartoonish land could do the sameLook at the pics, Rocky IV clearly has more muscle mass, besides being leaner and shredded
I'd also like to see the 30lbs difference between the films. Everything I find they're within 12-13lbs of each other, cos 30lbs would look drastic on Rocky, which we don't see between pics, So proof? 🙂
Sure, a normal person can go down in weight (slightly) but have more mass. But it would be a very small small loss in weight. It certainly wouldn't be no 27-30 pounds. That is nigh impossible to do yet still have more muscle mass. Come on Rob, you're better than this. You don't lose 30 pounds (while for both fights be in peak condition.. one of which was being trained by the best trainer in the world for you specifically) yet have more muscle mass. Not possible.
Here is what stallone says about his weight for each fight
“I was 178 for Rocky, and 200 in Rocky II. For Rocky III I was 163. For my next film, Rocky IV, I went up to 173."
This makes sense... He was at his leanest for Rocky 3 where he utilized more speed and agility. He gained back about 10 pounds of pure muscle while still maintaining the lean more slender physique. The commenters of Rocky 3 even correctly state he looks like a MW. The way Rocky looks is because he's trimmed down and is more cut. It's really that simple.
If you read the entire article you quoted that choice bit from, you'd see that it is possible to be 173lbs and have more muscle than being a not lean 200lbs
Rocky II was a fatty by comparison apparently, kudos on Stallone for distributing and hiding it well
Originally posted by Robtard
If you read the entire article you quoted that choice bit from, you'd see that it is possible to be 173lbs and have more muscle than being a not lean 200lbsRocky II was a fatty by comparison apparently, kudos on Stallone for distributing and hiding it well
I read nothing in that article that suggest he had more muscle mass for Rocky 4 than Rocky 2 nor anything about it being possible to be 30 pounds leaner with more muscle mass. In fact, for Rocky 2 he trained with a annual Mr. Universe competitor who also competed in Worlds Strongest Man before breaking his leg in the competition. Point is, he was training with a world renowned Body Builder and said he trained very hard. Suffice to say, he had more muscle mass in Rocky 2 than 4, and the weight difference only reinforces than point further.