Ivan Drago vs Apollo from Rocky II

Originally posted by Robtard
All these quotes support what I've been saying 👆

Apollo knows about his own capabilities. Check!

Lang got his ass handed to him in under three rounds cos he's a one trick poney. Check!

Rocky had it easy after Rocky II. Check!

No where does it say Rocky had it easy. Apollo never states that Rocky was a paper champion and even thought he would win the first fight.

Your concession is accepted!

Originally posted by NemeBro
I believe they can if it's explicitly stated to be an average punch from them. 👆

Why is the little girl who ran crying from the LotR forum after I spanked her cute little ass talking shit now?

I'm not knowledgeable about Star Wars at all. I'm also not really sure what thread you are referencing in a desperate attempt to save face, but I do know it's not working, and you still look bad. 🙂

Go back to the pond froggy. You've lost this debate.

Clownshoes... That's his average IN A SET ENVIRONMENT after he just shot up.... That isn't his average in actual fight... Backed up by his fights with Apollo and Rocky. Thanks for playing

Originally posted by Robtard
Well you're wrong again, having watched 85% of Rocky IV last night, Apollo took 21-22 punches (mix of face/body) in the first round and 17 punches in the second round.

So applying maths:

21-22 + 17 = 38-39 punches

38-39 isn't 60; it's not even "about 60"

I would need to "own myself" to ever be "owned", as you clearly can't do it and why you're so angry

Which is why I said like 60 punches. I didn't actually go and count each one. You did to further prove my point, thanks Robbie. So we certainly know he wasn't hitting at 2150 psi in order for Apollo to survive as long as he did. He also wasn't hitting at 1850 psi for the same reason. Shit, he wasn't he hitting at 1000 psi for the same reason. So what this proves is that Drago wasn't hitting near the level you guys would like him 2

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That isn't his average in actual fight

I see that the losing side is back to trying to argue that Drago can't hit as hard as he was shown to, because people in IRL wouldn't be able to handle that level of damage.

It's like they believe that Rocky was a documentary and not a movie, IE a place where things that are impossible IRL happen everyday.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this statement.

It's YOU that needs to prove that. All you have proof for is that his average punching power IN A SET ENVIRONMENT being able to put everything into a punch. You can't do that in a actual match and certainly not with every punch or even most of the punches. It's up to YOU to prove he can do so not me. You have proof he can punch that hard in a set environment with nobody fighting back after shooting up. Prove he can punch like that in a fight. He clearly didn't or Apollo would've been KO'd in one punch... Maybe even two or three... But certainly not 40 punches at 2150 or 1850 or even 1000... Nobody could take that kinda punching power for 40 punches at even a 1000.. let alone 1850. So, we know he wasn't punching that hard in an actual fight. Now prove he can.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see that the losing side is back to trying to argue that Drago can't hit as hard as he was shown to, because people in IRL wouldn't be able to handle that level of damage.

It's like they believe that Rocky was a documentary and not a movie, IE a place where things that are impossible IRL happen everyday.

Try and follow along for once you non athlete you. Rocky wasn't made to be superhuman.. In fact, the story is quite the opposite. Rocky 1 (so grounded in realism it's palpable).. Same with No. 2 and No. 3 (shit he was KO'd). So we have 3 movies that are totally grounded in realism and Rocky isnt' superhuman. THEN, you guys wanna claim ohh but in rocky 4 it's different Rocky wasn't suppose to be real anymore... now he's super human rocky... PROVE IT.. I have 3 movies that show Rocky as very real and not super human or somebody that ages slower than a normal human. Show me a quote from the director saying in Rocky 4 they changed their view of Rocky.. Nothing short of that will suffice. If you guys can't prove that... that Rocky was suppose to just as real as in Rocky 1... Thus he wasn't in his prime for drago.. he didn't age slower and build durability as he aged like what has been claimed. he simply turned back the clock one last time. It's as simple as that. We don't need to make up stuff about Rocky and make him out to be superhuman

Watching you cry about IRL is rather amusing, keep it up.

I'm waiting for you to post anything for the Director of Rocky 4 saying Rocky was no different and he wanted him to be superhuman... Age slow.. Later prime.. Increased durability etc etc.... I have 3 movies grounded in realism.. You guys are claiming the path diverged from the previous 3 movies... I don't buy it. Show me a quote from the director saying it's so or concede the point.

Good job, keep complaining about RL, it really helps your side in the debate.

Of course it does... Rocky was based in reality about a sport based in reality. That is why knowing about boxing helps one understand what's going on in the movie. Knowing about boxing doesn't hurt, it only helps in discussions such as these (which is why you're struggling so much). Now, post the quotes from the director saying Rocky has changed as a character and is now superhuman and doesn't age like everybody else. Please cite that interview please.

Rocky being human and the sport of boxing existing IRL doesn't mean that IRL is a good argument. see the example I posted about Die Hard.

Or, just continue to cry because the movie doesn't match up with what you view as IRL.

that isn't close to the same. Bruce isn't tanking bullets that should kill him or suffering traumatic head trauma and nothing happens. He just happens to always narrowly survive situations. That can happen. Nothing superhuman. On the other hand.. People are claiming Rocky not to be like a normal human in that he ages slower... has a later prime... gets more durable with age... some even claimed increased the size of his head by working out... All these things go against reality and what the character is based in. Rocky 1, 2 and 3 showed Rocky to be normal.. that was the whole point. So, if people claim that direction changed... then post the quote from the director saying so. If not, Rocky wasn't prime for Drago... nor did he age slower or his durability increase with age. He simply, turned back the clock. Nothing more.

Thank you for proving that you haven't seen the movies in question.

Concession accepted. You have no proof

Right, all we have is what the movies actually show us, while you have your battle-cry of "That isn't the way things would work IRL".

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is why I said like 60 punches. I didn't actually go and count each one.
You did to further prove my point, thanks Robbie. So we certainly know he wasn't hitting at 2150 psi in order for Apollo to survive as long as he did. He also wasn't hitting at 1850 psi for the same reason. Shit, he wasn't he hitting at 1000 psi for the same reason. So what this proves is that Drago wasn't hitting near the level you guys would like him 2

IOW: You were completely wrong.

If you had $39.00 in your pocket, would you say "I have about sixty dollars." No, you wouldn't. What you did is try to inflate the number to better suit your indefensible position and I called you on it cos I happened to have watched 85% Rocky IV recently. You tried to pull a dishonest fast one, but not on Robtard's watch

Prove Drago can't hit his average? You keep saying he can't, despite it being shown and stated on film. Film feats > your claims

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
that isn't close to the same. Bruce isn't tanking bullets that should kill him or suffering traumatic head trauma and nothing happens. He just happens to always narrowly survive situations. That can happen. Nothing superhuman. On the other hand.. People are claiming Rocky not to be like a normal human in that he ages slower... has a later prime... gets more durable with age... some even claimed increased the size of his head by working out... All these things go against reality and what the character is based in. Rocky 1, 2 and 3 showed Rocky to be normal.. that was the whole point. So, if people claim that direction changed... then post the quote from the director saying so. If not, Rocky wasn't prime for Drago... nor did he age slower or his durability increase with age. He simply, turned back the clock. Nothing more.

So I guess we can safely assume that you didn't pay attention in the Die Hard films either. Cos despite McClane being a normal human, he survives what a normal human couldn't over and over and over again

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Totally like real life that McClane. Totally!

That's just it though.. .You stating it to be 40 punches and Apollo taking that many PROVES he can't hit as hard as his average. IF he did, Apollo would be dead in one punch. That is conclusive undeniable proof that he wasn't. Which obviously makes sense since one was it a set environment the other was a fight. Why would I need to prove a negative? Nice try. You made the claim that he punches that hard each time for the entirety of the fight. Thus the onus lies directly on you. Showing Drago doing so in a set environment after just shooting up isn't proof. As clearly pointed out and stated, they are comparable situation at all. So that isn't his average during a fight... That's his average punching a stationary target putting his whole weight behind it just after juicing up. Not close to the same. Now go ahead and actually prove YOUR claim.

Let me guess, Apollo was also made superhuman in Rocky 4 LMAO

BTW don't think I didn't notice you not producing ANY interview or quote from the director stating that he's changed the character and now he's more superhuman and defies the natural laws all human are effected by. Nothing short of that will be proof since we know the original concept of the first 3 movies were based on realism and rocky being a normal fighter. It won academy awards because of it. I have 3 movies that point to realism and that is how the character is portrayed. If there was a dramatic switch than post it. You claiming the proof is in the movie isn't proof. I see a fighter turning back the clock, nothing more. So post the quote or concede the point.

Translation: That isn't how things would work IRL

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