Ivan Drago vs Apollo from Rocky II

Originally posted by Robtard
So I guess we can safely assume that you didn't pay attention in the Die Hard films either. Cos despite McClane being a normal human, he survives what a normal human couldn't over and over and over again

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Totally like real life that McClane. Totally!

The video you showed proved my point. Most of those scenes somebody would survive it. Not to mention the blatant exaggerations by the person that made it. He said hip fracture for a mere little fall. This further illustrates the point.

Even still, we can throw this out because the original movie had him doing the same stuff... so that sets the precedent for the next films. So even saying that he was doing superhuman stuff, it follows suit because the original was that way. That is in STARK contrasts to the Rocky movies and why they aren't comparable. Rocky was grounded in realism through the first 3 movies... nothing superhuman nothing out of the ordinary.. NO mention of rocky being different. That is the precedent set and what was followed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Translation: That isn't how things would work IRL

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You didn't see the first three Rocky films so you wouldn't know it was based on realism about a real sport. Try and watch them sometime.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's just it though.. .You stating it to be 40 punches and Apollo taking that many PROVES he can't hit as hard as his average. IF he did, Apollo would be dead in one punch. That is conclusive undeniable proof that he wasn't. Which obviously makes sense since one was it a set environment the other was a fight. Why would I need to prove a negative? Nice try. You made the claim that he punches that hard each time for the entirety of the fight. Thus the onus lies directly on you. Showing Drago doing so in a set environment after just shooting up isn't proof. As clearly pointed out and stated, they are comparable situation at all. So that isn't his average during a fight... That's his average punching a stationary target putting his whole weight behind it just after juicing up. Not close to the same. Now go ahead and actually prove YOUR claim.

Let me guess, Apollo was also made superhuman in Rocky 4 LMAO

BTW don't think I didn't notice you not producing ANY interview or quote from the director stating that he's changed the character and now he's more superhuman and defies the natural laws all human are effected by. Nothing short of that will be proof since we know the original concept of the first 3 movies were based on realism and rocky being a normal fighter. It won academy awards because of it. I have 3 movies that point to realism and that is how the character is portrayed. If there was a dramatic switch than post it. You claiming the proof is in the movie isn't proof. I see a fighter turning back the clock, nothing more. So post the quote or concede the point.

Apollo died, did you forget?

Watch the film. Seems you can't accept when something is specifically told to you or when it's explained visually. eg None of the Die Hard films go on to say "McClane is actually superhuman and this is the reason in which he survives damage that would vaporize a normal human body", but he does and it's shown and we accept this because McClane, just like Balboa is fictional

Just because a movie contains a real sport doesn't mean it has to adhere to "real life" like KT keeps crying about.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The video you showed proved my point. Most of those scenes somebody would survive it. Not to mention the blatant exaggerations by the person that made it. He said hip fracture for a mere little fall. This further illustrates the point.

Even still, we can throw this out because the original movie had him doing the same stuff... so that sets the precedent for the next films. So even saying that he was doing superhuman stuff, it follows suit because the original was that way. That is in STARK contrasts to the Rocky movies and why they aren't comparable. Rocky was grounded in realism through the first 3 movies... nothing superhuman nothing out of the ordinary.. NO mention of rocky being different. That is the precedent set and what was followed.

You didn't actually watch the vid, did you

Wrong again, That was Drago's average punch in a set environment. Since you keep claiming he can. Post the scene where Drago is in the ring and fighting somebody hooked up to machines and it shows him hitting at that as his average. Claiming something is somebody's average is for you to prove. That's like me claiming I can run 10 miles with a mule on my shoulder because I did it on grass. Then somebody asking if I could do that in Sand and with my legs tied together.. and I go of course I can.. I kinda did that on the grass i.e. NOT THE SAME. What's so difficult about this. Do you genuinely believe that punching something not moving or fighting back in the same as a fight?

I know but he SURVIVED 40 punches before being KO'd and killed. If Drago's average was truly 1850... Apollo wouldn't been KO'd or killed in one punch or two at the most. This is undeniable proof Drago wasn't hitting at that level. Not even close. If he was, how did Apollo survive that many hits? Ohhh wait for it.. wait for it... Apollo also became superhuman as he got older... LMAO

Already addressed this... It's like a movie about Thor.. It will show us what he's capable of or can tank. Same thing here... from the first movie we see McClaine do these things thus it becomes accepted that he can. Not the case here.. The first 3 films are based in realism with nothing out of the ordinary or superhuman. Thus, we can conclude this is the Rockyverse as it was intended to be. Game set match.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just because a movie contains a real sport doesn't mean it has to adhere to "real life" like KT keeps crying about.

So you never watched Rocky 1 or 2 or 3 as I thought. Those movies showed Rocky wasn't superhuman and aged slower or anything of the sort. Try watching them sometime.

Like totally realz

Originally posted by Robtard
Like totally realz

Nice try, even if we say it's not real, that has already been covered. You can't counter post so you keep repeating the same thing. Die hard 1 set the precedent for the movies to follow. If they had him doing superhuman stuff cool, don't care. Difference here is, Rocky 1 - 3 set the precedent for the Rockyverse and Rocky was very much normal and real and not superhuman. Sorry Robbie, you lose again.

IOW, you're going to ignore everything that you don't like.

This was a pretty entertaining thread.

The Russian guy wins by the way.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's YOU that needs to prove that. All you have proof for is that his average punching power IN A SET ENVIRONMENT being able to put everything into a punch. You can't do that in a actual match and certainly not with every punch or even most of the punches. It's up to YOU to prove he can do so not me. You have proof he can punch that hard in a set environment with nobody fighting back after shooting up. Prove he can punch like that in a fight. He clearly didn't or Apollo would've been KO'd in one punch... Maybe even two or three... But certainly not 40 punches at 2150 or 1850 or even 1000... Nobody could take that kinda punching power for 40 punches at even a 1000.. let alone 1850. So, we know he wasn't punching that hard in an actual fight. Now prove he can.

In the Rockyverse though? Apparently they can. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Let me guess, Apollo was also made superhuman in Rocky 4 LMAO

Apollo directly stated he was in the best shape of his life in Rocky IV.

So, if Drago beat a stronger Apollo to death, what is there to argue? Drago stomps with a single punch. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nice try, even if we say it's not real, that has already been covered. You can't counter post so you keep repeating the same thing. Die hard 1 set the precedent for the movies to follow. If they had him doing superhuman stuff cool, don't care. Difference here is, Rocky 1 - 3 set the precedent for the Rockyverse and Rocky was very much normal and real and not superhuman. Sorry Robbie, you lose again.

There's no "even if", it's blatantly not a real depiction of how reality works since McClane would have been roasted alive if he didn't suffocate first from having all the oxygen sucked out of his lungs

Incorrect yet again, McClane was not as super-nonsense in the first film as he became in film 5. Just as Balboa was not nonsensical as be became in film 4. This is why you continue to fail with your "but it's not realistic!" rants, they're movies; they don't have to be realistic. See now?

I wonder why he finds it so hard to accept that a film where Paulie gets a robot buddy isn't as gritty or realistic as the first two Rocky films?

Which he's apparently able to reprogram into a robot-sex-slave in a matter of days. Who knows, maybe Paulie got a degree in robotics from MIT or something

By the way Robtard your implication that Rocky IV is not the greatest flick ever is wrong. Shame on you.

Rocky IV is actually pretty awful, so Robtard is correct again

-Apollo dies

-Balboa inner-rage/reflection montage

-Balboa/Drago final training montage

-Rocky defeats Drago

That's the film

Rocky IV ended the cold war. I daresay that makes it one of the most important films in cinema. uhuh

Rocky III ended racism with the powerful and iconic "Rocky/Apollo hug"

Boom!