Originally posted by AuraAngel
Rocky IV ended the cold war. I daresay that makes it one of the most important films in cinema. uhuh
A common error. But here are some facts:
Rocky IV = 1985
Berlin Wall "fell" = 1989
Little known fact: Road House (1989) is what lead to the Berlin Wall being torn down and the USSA crashing under it's own weight. Road House was/is an allegory to US Vs USSR conflict
Originally posted by juggerman
Rocky III ended racism with the powerful and iconic "Rocky/Apollo hug"Boom!
Another common error, actually. While on the surface that is what the message of Rocky III seems to project, but there's a far darker truth.
Notice the iconic final still of Rocky III:
It tells us that despite coming together for a common foe, the white and black eventually will fall back to aggression towards each other
Originally posted by RobtardFighting is love making to them though.
Another common error, actually. While on the surface that is what the message of Rocky III seems to project, but there's a far darker truth.Notice the iconic final still of Rocky III:
It tells us that despite coming together for a common foe, the white and black eventually will fall back to aggression towards each other
I don't agree with the message either, but Rocky III is one of the most racist films ever made
Hell, even in 'American History X' the underlying message was that anyone, even a diehard racist like Derek Vinyard can do a 180* of their social and political views after getting anally raped. 'Rocky III' didn't even have that, it ends with the black and white going at each other's throats, despite the previous bonding
Originally posted by Robtard
Another common error, actually. While on the surface that is what the message of Rocky III seems to project, but there's a far darker truth.Notice the iconic final still of Rocky III:
It tells us that despite coming together for a common foe, the white and black eventually will fall back to aggression towards each other
Stop ruining the beauty of racism ending in Rocky III. Dick!
Originally posted by NemeBro
Maybe not IRL.In the Rockyverse though? Apparently they can. 🙂
PROVE IT, all you guys have proof of is that Drago can punch at that level IN A SET ENVIRONMENT hitting a non moving target. I'm looking for proof he can do so IN AN ACTUAL FIGHT. We actually know he can't, because Apollo survived 40 punches... Even at 850 psi he'd be KO'd very quickly... let alone at 1850 psi. So all the proof in an actual fight is with me... If you have other proof post it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Apollo directly stated he was in the best shape of his life in Rocky IV.So, if Drago beat a stronger Apollo to death, what is there to argue? Drago stomps with a single punch. 👆
I get you don't understand boxing and never participated in the sport but let's clear some things up.
First, boasting pre fight is nothing but hyperbole and bs. We see this as common place in today's MMA and Boxing and it was the same in the 80's. "I'm going to destroy him in one round" "I'm in the best shape of my life" then after a so so performance "Well I didn't want to make excuse i.e. ruin the hype for the fight and revenue but I actually had a bad knee going into the fight" This is common place and to be taken with less than a grain of salt
Second, Apollo would never never EVER be in better shape for an exhibition (with less rounds) while he's been retired for over 5 years and hasn't been competing at the sport highest level. You would never EVER be in better shape for an exhibition he barely trained for or even took seriously, while well past your prime... than you would be in the PRIME of your life at worlds HW champion fighting the best fighters in the world. So we know for a FACT he was simply boasting.
Third, even as stupid as it would be, but let's say he's in the best shape of his life. This wouldn't change his durability ONE BIT. You don't get more durable as you age, in fact it's the total opposite. ing in great fighting shape doesn't mean your beard (chin) somehow also increased. Doesn't work that way. Those things aren't mutually inclusive. So even if we accept the stupidity, he still wouldn't be able to take those punches at even 850 psi, no way. Thus proving he wasn't punching at that level.
Now, post Drago punching at 1850 average PSI in an actual fight or concede you don't have that proof.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was 38-39 punches, actually, stop inflating the numbers to suit your bias
and? It's still the same.. he wouldn't survive 10 punches at even 1000 psi, let alone 1850 psi. Now, post the proof he can hit that hard in an actual fight or concede you don't have the proof for that.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's no "even if", it's blatantly not a real depiction of how reality works since McClane would have been roasted alive if he didn't suffocate first from having all the oxygen sucked out of his lungsIncorrect yet again, McClane was not as super-nonsense in the first film as he became in film 5. Just as Balboa was not nonsensical as be became in film 4. This is why you continue to fail with your "but it's not realistic!" rants, they're movies; they don't have to be realistic. See now?
Wrong again, he was doing silly stuff like that in Die hard 2, but there was still some of that in Die Hard 1 as well. It sets the table of things to come and that McClain can survive what looks like most people wouldn't. That was the whole concept behind the movie.. hence "Die hard" . Rocky on the other hand is the complete opposite, The first 3 films were very much set in realism with NOTHING out of the ordinary or Superhuman. It was so real it won academy awards for it. So instead of proclaiming Rocky suddenly became superhuman (along with Apollo I might add would have to be to explain him surviving those punches), it can easily and simply be explained as Rocky turning back the clock for one last great heroic performance. We don't need to make up stuff on how a character suddenly changed totally, we have a nice and neat scenario that fits perfectly without changing the whole course of the series. It's really that simple
hey, if you have a quote from the Director of Rocky 4 saying he's changed the character and made him more superhuman or that he ages slower or his durability increases with age.. PLEASE POST IT. If not, stop making up things that you don't have any proof of. It would take the director saying so in order to make your theory true. If not, we can perfectly explain it all as Rocky simply turning back the clock one more time.
How am I "wrong" when you just basically repeated back what I said concerning the Die Hard series and McClane being progressive? Protip: I'm the last remaining McClane scholar on KMC, best if you remember that, save you some future embarrassment
See previous counter about things being shown and not explained, or just watch Rocky and then Rocky IV and compare the Balboas
Don't need to, I can watch Rocky 4 and not for one second think Rocky's superhuman.. or he ages slower than everybody else and is actually in his prime at 40.. or think his durability actually increases with age. I can sit there and have mounds and mounds of real life situations where fighters past their best have turned back the clock for one last great performance. Rocky was highly motivated from his friend dying.. in a hostile environment... and essentially fighting for his country in a us vs. them theme. All things that could make one turn back the clock. I can sit there and easily and neatly see it as just that. Now post the quote from the director saying he's not superhuman or concede the point.
No, you just further illustrated my point Robbie, though I did like your sense of humor about McClain. I'll give you that title no problem, but the point still stands none the less. Even the name of the film let's the audience know we are about the see some unbelievable stuff and him survive situations most wouldn't. It's in the name of the damn movie. He was doing so from the first movie and it just got worse. However, the title and the first movie still set the precedent. This is in STARK.. STARK contrast to Rocky, which set the precedent for being based in realism through the first 3 films, then you expect me to believe his character got a complete overhaul and changed. Nope, that requires proof.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiMost of Drago's punches onscreen are in fights though. By a significant margin.
PROVE IT, all you guys have proof of is that Drago can punch at that level IN A SET ENVIRONMENT hitting a non moving target. I'm looking for proof he can do so IN AN ACTUAL FIGHT. We actually know he can't, because Apollo survived 40 punches... Even at 850 psi he'd be KO'd very quickly... let alone at 1850 psi. So all the proof in an actual fight is with me... If you have other proof post it.
So it stands to reason that Drago's punches "on average", as stated in the movie, are at 1,850 PSI. 🙂
You lose another thread.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I get you don't understand boxing and never participated in the sport but let's clear some things up.
Yawn. Are you going to get a new ad hominem to throw at me girlyboy, or are you sticking to this one all thread? I'm guessing the latter, considering you've been tossing this one around almost since you started posting.
First, boasting pre fight is nothing but hyperbole and bs. We see this as common place in today's MMA and Boxing and it was the same in the 80's. "I'm going to destroy him in one round" "I'm in the best shape of my life" then after a so so performance "Well I didn't want to make excuse i.e. ruin the hype for the fight and revenue but I actually had a bad knee going into the fight" This is common place and to be taken with less than a grain of salt
Prove he was lying. 🙂
Second, Apollo would never never EVER be in better shape for an exhibition (with less rounds) while he's been retired for over 5 years and hasn't been competing at the sport highest level. You would never EVER be in better shape for an exhibition he barely trained for or even took seriously, while well past your prime... than you would be in the PRIME of your life at worlds HW champion fighting the best fighters in the world. So we know for a FACT he was simply boasting.
Both Apollo's statement and his ability to survive concrete shattering punches disagree with you. 👆
Third, even as stupid as it would be, but let's say he's in the best shape of his life. This wouldn't change his durability ONE BIT. You don't get more durable as you age, in fact it's the total opposite. ing in great fighting shape doesn't mean your beard (chin) somehow also increased. Doesn't work that way. Those things aren't mutually inclusive. So even if we accept the stupidity, he still wouldn't be able to take those punches at even 850 psi, no way. Thus proving he wasn't punching at that level.
We know his durability increased because we see him withstand punches much more powerful than he ever did as a younger man. 🙂
Your argument is entirely circular reasoning. Your assertion that Apollo was old and shitty is contradicted by the film, with its only basis being your personal preference.
Give it up, and learn to accept your loss more gracefully. 👆
Now, post Drago punching at 1850 average PSI in an actual fight or concede you don't have that proof.
"On average."