Ivan Drago vs Apollo from Rocky II

Good job KuRuPT, you are carrying the voice of reason here.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Most of Drago's punches onscreen are in fights though. By a significant margin.

So it stands to reason that Drago's punches "on average", as stated in the movie, are at 1,850 PSI. 🙂

You lose another thread.

So let me get your stance correctly

You feel punching something in a set environment putting everything you have into a punch against a non moving target or rolling target after shooting up

is the same as

punching somebody in a actual fight with him moving.. using angles.. rolling with punches and actually hitting back. You think you punch the same level in both situations?

BTW... How do you think you won the LOTR debate, you lost that one buddy... Gothmog is just flat out superior and beaten better people. It's really that simple. So amount of crying he had helped changes Sauron getting owned and killed over and over like a feeb

Originally posted by NemeBro
Most of Drago's punches onscreen are in fights though. By a significant margin.

So it stands to reason that Drago's punches "on average", as stated in the movie, are at 1,850 PSI. 🙂

You lose another thread.

So you don't know how proof works then.. okay just say so my little friend. See proof is showing him being measured in an ACTUAL fight and how hard he's punching. THAT is the proof I'm looking for which you have yet to back up. Now post that proof or concede you don't have it. Showing his average in a set environment isn't his average in a real fight... those aren't mutually inclusive. I'll ask one more time for your proof, and if you don't have it I'll accept your concession.

See, this is why I don't think you don't remember Rocky IV very well at all, KT. There's a few incidents in a late round where Balboa taunts Drago to punch him and Drago gets a clean punch straight to Rocky's face

According to you, this would allow Drago to punch at least his average of 1850psi (or close to it) and this should be enough to kill Balboa several times over. But guess what doesn't happen? Balboa doesn't explode because it's a fiction

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yawn. Are you going to get a new ad hominem to throw at me girlyboy, or are you sticking to this one all thread? I'm guessing the latter, considering you've been tossing this one around almost since you started posting.

Prove he was lying. 🙂

Both Apollo's statement and his ability to survive concrete shattering punches disagree with you. 👆

We know his durability increased because we see him withstand punches much more powerful than he ever did as a younger man. 🙂

Your argument is entirely circular reasoning. Your assertion that Apollo was old and shitty is contradicted by the film, with its only basis being your personal preference.

Give it up, and learn to accept your loss more gracefully. 👆

"On average."

You're truly dumber than I thought and we really don't need to continue this further. Athletes would literally be laughing at you and making fun of you constantly if they read what you've posted. To even assert that somebody who has:

1. been retired for over 5 years from the highest level of the sport
2. trained for an exhibition fight (not even a normal fight) one where he's joking around.. messing around... very little time to train (you do realize most fighters in big fights prepare for a minimum of 3 months of intense training)
3. Who hasn't been fighting guys at the highest level of the sport as the reigning HW champion
4. Is almost mid 40's

Is in better shape and more prime than:

1. Somebody who is the reigning HW champion of the world defending his title
2. Training on a regular basis to beat the best guys in the world
3. Is actually in the prime of his life n not mid 40's
4. Actually takes the fight seriously and not joking around and messing around to sell tickets (which is what he stated he was trying to do)

They would and most would literally spit out their water and point at you and laugh when they read such a thing. It's totally illogical and retarded to even suggest such a thing. So we can't really continue this discussion when you're that dumb to even suggest Apollo was in better shape for Rocky 4 than during his prime HW reign. That's worse than shortbus material.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, this is why I don't think you remember Rocky IV very well at all, KT. There's a few incidents in a late round that Balboa taunts Drago to punch him and Drago gets a clean punch straight to Rocky's face

According to you, this would allow Drago to punch at least his average of 1850psi (or close to it) and this should be enough to kill Balboa several times over. But guess what doesn't happen? Balboa doesn't explode because it's a fiction

Wrong Robbie, because even in those situations.. he still wouldn't be able to... he'd still have to worry about it being a trap and to get countered and hurt. He was already weary of Rocky's power as he'd been cut and hurt previous. So you don't just unload everything you have knowing full well you could get countered and crushed moving in. Further, that happened later in the fight after Drago would've been more tired than in a set environment after shooting up. He was in a war.. taking punishment.. dishing some out... going for round after round. He wouldn't be anywhere near as fresh as he would.. shooting up.. quick warm up... okay give it all you got Drago. NIce try though big Robbie... I give you that you do try with somewhat reasonable attempts. That's more than I can say for others.

Oh and Rob, I've seen that movie way more than the others... It was probably my favorite after Rocky 1. In fact, it was just on recently. There is no issue with not having seen the movie or even seen it multiple times... In my case many more times than that. Check.

Originally posted by Bentley
Good job KuRuPT, you are carrying the voice of reason here.

Thanks big Bentley.. It's kinda funny though to see people claim a mid 40's guy in prime and somehow increased his durability with age and is unlike any other human in existence. I mean it is kinda funny no matter how stupid it sounds.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
[B]
You feel punching something in a set environment putting everything you have into a punch against

He can explicitly punch harder. 🙂

"On average".

BTW... How do you think you won the LOTR debate, you lost that one buddy... Gothmog is just flat out superior and beaten better people. It's really that simple. So amount of crying he had helped changes Sauron getting owned and killed over and over like a feeb

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you don't know how proof works then.. okay just say so my little friend. See proof is showing him being measured in an ACTUAL fight and how hard he's punching. THAT is the proof I'm looking for which you have yet to back up. Now post that proof or concede you don't have it. Showing his average in a set environment isn't his average in a real fight... those aren't mutually inclusive. I'll ask one more time for your proof, and if you don't have it I'll accept your concession.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He can explicitly punch harder. 🙂

"On average".

I won the debate by kicking your ass and making you feel stupid, obviously. I mean really, you're the same guy who still believes Sauron never led armies under Morgoth. 👇

I never said no such thing... What I DID say and in indisputable is that Gothmog was in charge WAY more when they were both around when it came to battles. That is indisputable. Sauron, was never EVER shown leading Gothmog in battle or in charge of force Gothmog was in. Melkor almost always put Gothmog in front and was his captain. Again, no amount of crying about him having help changes the fact that he beat better people and wasn't killed like a feeb over and over again like Sauron.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"On average". 🙂

concession accepted you don't have the proof you claim. Another loss Neme. God I wish I could show what you wrote about Apollo being more prime and better shape while retired for 5 years than as the reigning HW champion of the world while actually in his prime years. People would literally go... Damn he's dumb.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wrong Robbie, because even in those situations.. he still wouldn't be able to... he'd still have to worry about it being a trap and to get countered and hurt. He was already weary of Rocky's power as he'd been cut and hurt previous. So you don't just unload everything you have knowing full well you could get countered and crushed moving in. Further, that happened later in the fight after Drago would've been more tired than in a set environment after shooting up. He was in a war.. taking punishment.. dishing some out... going for round after round. He wouldn't be anywhere near as fresh as he would.. shooting up.. quick warm up... okay give it all you got Drago. NIce try though big Robbie... I give you that you do try with somewhat reasonable attempts. That's more than I can say for others.

Oh and Rob, I've seen that movie way more than the others... It was probably my favorite after Rocky 1. In fact, it was just on recently. There is no issue with not having seen the movie or even seen it multiple times... In my case many more times than that. Check.

So you didn't bother re-watching the fight, Balboa taunted and got tagged right in the face. But if you have proof that Drago "held back because he thought it was a clever trap", please post it. But I suspect this is another claim of yours which you can't actually support with film evidence

There's also the scene where Balboa is pinned in a corner and Drago unloads furiously on Balboa's face with a multitude of punches even after the bell rings. Let me guess, Drago was also holding back?

But did you watch 85% a few days ago? No

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're truly dumber than I thought and we really don't need to continue this further. Athletes would literally be laughing at you and making fun of you constantly if they read what you've posted. To even assert that somebody who has:

I have been an athlete and have known athletes, my son. They all think I'm the coolest guy. 👆

1. been retired for over 5 years from the highest level of the sport
2. trained for an exhibition fight (not even a normal fight) one where he's joking around.. messing around... very little time to train (you do realize most fighters in big fights prepare for a minimum of 3 months of intense training)
3. Who hasn't been fighting guys at the highest level of the sport as the reigning HW champion
4. Is almost mid 40's

Is in better shape and more prime than:

1. Somebody who is the reigning HW champion of the world defending his title
2. Training on a regular basis to beat the best guys in the world
3. Is actually in the prime of his life n not mid 40's
4. Actually takes the fight seriously and not joking around and messing around to sell tickets (which is what he stated he was trying to do)

Can you prove Apollo is a liar?

They would and most would literally spit out their water and point at you and laugh when they read such a thing. It's totally illogical and retarded to even suggest such a thing. So we can't really continue this discussion when you're that dumb to even suggest Apollo was in better shape for Rocky 4 than during his prime HW reign. That's worse than shortbus material.

Short bus isn't one word. 🙂

Your first sentence is a run-on sentence.

Drago still wins. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I never said no such thing... What I DID say and in indisputable is that Gothmog was in charge WAY more when they were both around when it came to battles. That is indisputable.

It's also a red herring.

But you don't know what that is, do you? 🙂

Sauron, was never EVER shown leading Gothmog in battle or in charge of force Gothmog was in. Melkor almost always put Gothmog in front and was his captain. Again, no amount of crying about him having help changes the fact that he beat better people and wasn't killed like a feeb over and over again like Sauron.

Luthien is better than anyone Gothmog beat, and Gothmog was so weak he was killed by being pushed into a fountain and, unlike Sauron, couldn't come back. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
concession accepted

There should be a comma here.

you don't have the proof you claim. Another loss Neme. God I wish I could show what you wrote about Apollo being more prime and better shape while retired for 5 years than as the reigning HW champion of the world while actually in his prime years. People would literally go... Damn he's dumb.

Keep crying girly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanks big Bentley.. It's kinda funny though to see people claim a mid 40's guy in prime and somehow increased his durability with age and is unlike any other human in existence. I mean it is kinda funny no matter how stupid it sounds.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you didn't bother re-watching the fight, Balboa taunted and got tagged right in the face. But if you have proof that Drago "held back because he thought it was a clever trap", please post it. But I suspect this is another claim of yours which you can't actually support with film evidence

There's also the scene where Balboa is pinned in a corner and Drago unloads furiously on Balboa's face with a multitude of punches even after the bell rings. Let me guess, Drago was also holding back?

But did you watch 85% a few days ago? No

I don't need to... you have proven that for yourselves. People are claiming Drago ws Rocky's toughest foe... Yes that's right an unproven amateur with not one single professional fight. So if that is the claim... then you've already proven my case you're requesting. Yes, if he's that good than he's well aware of what a counter is and how putting everything you have into a punch could get you KO'd. Shit, a novice would know the same, let alone Rocky's toughest foe ever. I always love when you guys prove my points for me

I did watch it recently just for you big Robbie. The fight was on recently as I said and I came in at the funeral. Specifically watched the training scene and fight scene because I love those parts and changed channels at other points. no issue with the fight sequence

Again, Drago would've been tired by the point where he baited Drago to punch him. he was in a war by that point and wouldn't be nearly as fresh as he was for the punch meter test correct ? Even the punch where Drago hits Rocky after the bell in the 2nd round while holding his neck... he didn't step into it.. didn't Torgue his hips or legs and almost looked like he was leaping or on his toes while doing so. No way is that the same as his set environment punch scene. Maybe you're talking about Round 14 at the end where Drago hits rocky a few times after the bell... Again after a long war.

I'm not gonna read 17 pages of retardation so I'll just say Drago wins again. It might take him a little longer, but he kills him again, possibly in the 4th round this time.

So it's:

'Drago can't punch his average of 1850psi'

'Drago would just be too tired to punch his average'

'Drago held back due to fear/apprehension'

Would really like it if you could substantiate these claims with actual film proof, KT. Cos if you watch the fight, Drago is like a man obsessed; going all out even in the later rounds trying his best to down Balboa and stop his fellow Soviets from taunting him with jabs of "little dick Drago"

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's also a red herring.

But you don't know what that is, do you? 🙂

Luthien is better than anyone Gothmog beat, and Gothmog was so weak he was killed by being pushed into a fountain and, unlike Sauron, couldn't come back. 👆

Should we list the times Sauron was killed and had to come back like a weak feeb? Point is, again you can get around the fact that Gothmog lead the battles when they were both around most of the time and gothmog beat better people. Beating Feanor is greater than anything Sauron has ever done. Sh1t, Feanor would curb the two Kings who beat Sauron, I mean literally curb them. Yeah, Gothmog killed that guy.