Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why is it Obama has to read quotes from the bible…. but knows the Quran like the back of his hand? Why does he respect the MUSLIM RELIGION AND BELIEFS AND TRADITIONS SO MUCH. But Americans and Christian traditions must be changed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Even if that is true, why does that matter? Does memorizing passages of the Bible make one a better Christian?Edit: I'd also add that considering how involved the US is with the Islamic world, having an educated president is only a bonus
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So the guy who says he's Christian and not Muslim does not know any bible verses but knows the Koran from memory.Rob your not that stupid.
Time Immemorial, you fell for a very old and basic argumentation "trick." It is the red herring. Your original point was the double-standard Obama is applying to Christians vs. Muslims and Robtard tricked you into arguing about something else. Of course, someone could come into this thread and argue that you're a "Muzzie hater" and have been trying to paint Obama as a Muslim over the course of many months, now. I know for a fact that you don't hate Muslims or Islam. You hate extremist assholes. But that hasn't stopped people from trying to throw the racism card at you.
Originally posted by Robtard
He suddied Islam when he was younger, this isn't a secret. If you dont recall the right wingmuts would constantly post pics of him in traditinal garb as a young man; usually next to the "born in Kenya" rantsI can recite passages from the bible, does this make me a Christian?
That "portrayal" has always irritated me. I've attended Catholic Mass on multiple occasions. If someone were to snap a picture, they could claim that I'm openly Mormon and a closet Catholic. That's rather dumb.
Also, one final thought on this particular topic: it doesn't really matter if Obama is Muslim. What bothers people like Time Immemorial is that Obama may be lying about his religion simply to have gotten elected. Of course, I personally believe Obama is agnostic or even atheist. Time Immemorial's issue with Obama is his absurd lies. I do not necessarily agree with the notion that Obama is a Muslim but I do understand why it irritates people like TI that Obama claims to be a Christian.
Originally posted by Robtard
DDM's upset that I mocked him for trying to play Thread Topic Moderator, he's also incorrectly accusing me of a fallacy, he likes to do that. Be strong though, TI, be strong
Were your feelings really hurt by me pointing out the obvious?
What you were really supposed to have taken from my comment about racist cops was, "lol" or even, "it is sad how this isn't obvious to some people."
Then we could have had a bro-moment and fist-bumped.
Instead, you got all pregnant and swollen-footed on me. "Waaaah, stop criticizing me threads!"
Originally posted by Robtard
PS, despite how hard DDM insist, Muslims are not a "race"
Hey, it's not me calling TI racist for his comments regarding Muslims. 🙂
Also, be amazed at my abilities to understand your broken English.
Originally posted by dadudemonI will say reading TI's comments he definitely comes off as bigoted.
Time Immemorial, you fell for a very old and basic argumentation "trick." It is the red herring. Your original point was the double-standard Obama is applying to Christians vs. Muslims and Robtard tricked you into arguing about something else. Of course, someone could come into this thread and argue that you're a "Muzzie hater" and have been trying to paint Obama as a Muslim over the course of many months, now. I know for a fact that you don't hate Muslims or Islam. You hate extremist assholes. But that hasn't stopped people from trying to throw the racism card at you.That "portrayal" has always irritated me. I've attended Catholic Mass on multiple occasions. If someone were to snap a picture, they could claim that I'm openly Mormon and a closet Catholic. That's rather dumb.
Also, one final thought on this particular topic: it doesn't really matter if Obama is Muslim. What bothers people like Time Immemorial is that Obama may be lying about his religion simply to have gotten elected. Of course, I personally believe Obama is agnostic or even atheist. Time Immemorial's issue with Obama is his absurd lies. I do not necessarily agree with the notion that Obama is a Muslim but I do understand why it irritates people like TI that Obama claims to be a Christian.
If TI were just upset that Obama were lying about being a Christian that is what he should say.
Instead we get is him trying to specifically confirm that Obama is a Muslim. His other statement of Obama trying to change Christian And American values also points to a general bigoted opinion about the current president and Muslims in general.
Basically his comments comes off as Obama is a Muslim and he is inherently trying to break down our traditional Christian based American morals. Maybe that is not what he meant but that is how he comes off. It's that inherit connection between destroying America and being Muslim that people try to make that comes off as bigoted and racist at times. Seriously even if Obama were a Muslim is shouldn't matter but TI's comments make it sound like if Obama were a Muslim that would be a bad thing.
Also Rob's points are not invalid nor was he trying to change the argument. He was simply trying to point out a similar circumstance where someone was treated differently.
Also I do not think Obama is lying about his religion. Just because he looks into other religions do not matter. Most Americans I would say are some form of agnostic even though they claim to be Christian. It's not uncommon for Christians to look to other religions or study them or to not even truly follow their own supposed tenets.
Once again because of the above singling out Obama for his Muslim backgrounds still comes as hypocritical or bigoted towards Muslims or looking for something to hate about the President.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
A bigoted but possibly not racist spade?
No, that's what I mean. It's not just bigoted, or ignorant, or prejudiced, or from a different era...it's racist, and the people doing it are racists. We don't need to coddle them, cause they feel bad about being called racists.
Re: More Presidential Apologies
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Come and dance and defend Obama.
Lol. Come dance and defend Obama? So, what, you can sneeringly reinforce your existing beliefs? I can't imagine the scenario going on in your head. We're on a backwater discussion board, dude. A little self-awareness goes a long way.
And, since any reply to you in these threads equals vegan-humping liberalism, I feel the need to add that I didn't vote for Obama in the last election. This isn't a political post, it's a post on your tone.
Originally posted by Newjak
I will say reading TI's comments he definitely comes off as bigoted.If TI were just upset that Obama were lying about being a Christian that is what he should say.
Instead we get is him trying to specifically confirm that Obama is a Muslim. His other statement of Obama trying to change Christian And American values also points to a general bigoted opinion about the current president and Muslims in general.
Basically his comments comes off as Obama is a Muslim and he is inherently trying to break down our traditional Christian based American morals. Maybe that is not what he meant but that is how he comes off. It's that inherit connection between destroying America and being Muslim that people try to make that comes off as bigoted and racist at times. Seriously even if Obama were a Muslim is shouldn't matter but TI's comments make it sound like if Obama were a Muslim that would be a bad thing.
Also Rob's points are not invalid nor was he trying to change the argument. He was simply trying to point out a similar circumstance where someone was treated differently.
Also I do not think Obama is lying about his religion. Just because he looks into other religions do not matter. Most Americans I would say are some form of agnostic even though they claim to be Christian. It's not uncommon for Christians to look to other religions or study them or to not even truly follow their own supposed tenets.
Once again because of the above singling out Obama for his Muslim backgrounds still comes as hypocritical or bigoted towards Muslims or looking for something to hate about the President.
I do not believe TI is a Christian. IIRC, he is agnostic or atheist.
And, yes, it would be a bad thing if Obama was a secret Muslim. But it has nothing to do with the exact fact that the secret religion is "Islam." It could Buddhist or Hindu for all it matters. The issue is his lying about his religion...and everything else. Libtards were sure to jump all over McCain's ass about his probable agnosticism because he didn't go to church very often. Obviously, you should expect critiques to be thrown at Obama for his not-so-Christian-friendly ideals because he specifically espouses "Christianity" as his religion.
Re: More Presidential Apologies
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Obama is sitting in a lame duck with a abysmal 44% approval rating and the look for 2016 might feature relatives of the past two presidents before Obama.Obama won't even call ISIS a Islamic extremists. Now it's called "Violent Extremiets"
Sounds like more apologies. At his speechs yesterday it's Americas fault and it's all economic from our imperialism.
And with this latest news about targeting consertive groups and thinking they are more of a threat then ISIS.
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/02/obama-dhs-right-wing-extremists-greater-threat-than-isis/
Come and dance and defend Obama.
I don't support Obama at all and i think he and his administration could be doing more to create a unifying effort against, ISIS. However, i don't think his decision to not focus on the religious aspect of ISIS is wrong. I'm not sure if it's even worth arguing because it's such a trivial aspect of the crimes against humanity that they're committing. I think focusing on their beliefs would do nothing but separate people even more. Their actions and agenda are what important. Once people start arguing about their beliefs, i think people start to lose sight of whats important. It's not Islam against the world but rather terrorism against the world. This group respects nothing but their own agenda and i would argue that many of them involved don't even know what that is.