Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is almost a non-sequitir. How do we get from "Obama might be lying about one issue" to "Obama is lying about everything?"I'm not following your logic.
Well, if your point wasn't a strawman, it may not see seem so non sequitur. Obviously, Obama isn't lying about everything. That is very obviously hyperbole. Consider that I have brought up the factual points in which Obama lied and told the truth, in the past, if you strongly considered that hyperbole to be my actual position.
But why are you having difficulty understanding that the actual point is "he's a f*cking liar"? Where's the disconnect? When have I ever held a position contrary? Why do you think Obama's probable lies regarding his religious beliefs are prerequisite to entertaining all of this other lies? Why can they not all be separate lies in their own right? This is why I'm having trouble understanding why you would even call it a non sequitur. To me, trying to apply a "line of reasoning" that leads "from this to that" is a non sequitur.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is the most ridiculous shit ever holy crap American politics is dumb.
Yes, they are dumb. And American voters are highly uninformed which makes the situation worse.
Here's an example of how stupid American voters can be:
Originally posted by dadudemonWould have been better if he asked the people who said no why they weren't.
Yes, they are dumb. And American voters are highly uninformed which makes the situation worse.Here's an example of how stupid American voters can be:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, Obama is a secret Muslim who tricked his way into the White House? Is he a diamond thief and a member of the Legion of Doom as well? 🙄
You clearly didn't read my words.
I'll quote them for you so you will not post ignorant stuff like this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Of course, I personally believe Obama is agnostic or even atheist. Time Immemorial's issue with Obama is his absurd lies. I do not necessarily agree with the notion that Obama is a Muslim but I do understand why it irritates people like TI that Obama claims to be a Christian.
But, keep in mind, I'm "stupid."
Originally posted by Mindset
Would have been better if he asked the people who said no why they weren't.
I would have called him on all of those points and said, "No, that is stuff Obama has already done." I thought his approach was perfect. An informed voter would have called him on his stunt/bullshit. A blind supporter would have done what they did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Originally my post was about how stupid you and TI are but I thought that would be too aggressive.Seriously, Obama is a secret Muslim who tricked his way into the White House? Is he a diamond thief and a member of the Legion of Doom as well? 🙄
Not going to lie, My opinion of Obama would actually improve if the above were actually true.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why do you think Obama's probable lies regarding his religious beliefs are prerequisite to entertaining all of this other lies?
Originally posted by dadudemonHis approach was terrible. He gave people who said they wouldn't vote for Obama a free pass, and questioned everyone who said they would. He ruins a legitimate point of his video by being blatantly bias.I would have called him on all of those points and said, "No, that is stuff Obama has already done." I thought his approach was perfect. An informed voter would have called him on his stunt/bullshit. A blind supporter would have done what they did.
It's essentially just Obama-haters porn.
Originally posted by Mindset
His approach was terrible. He gave people who said they wouldn't vote for Obama a free pass, and questioned everyone who said they would. He ruins a legitimate point of his video by being blatantly bias.
I didn't notice that or see that (that he ignored the non-Obama voters). However, why does that diminish his point even slightly? I thought his point was about the ignorant Obama-machine where people were voting for Obama because of his celebrity, despite strongly disagreeing with his polices? He seemed to make that point quite clear.
And the first "stone" like this was about McCain in 2008. A similar video was done to show how ignorant people were that were going to vote for McCain (essentially, that video was a copy of something another group did to McCain supporters in 2008).
Originally posted by Mindset
It's essentially just Obama-haters porn.
For me, it was, "American voters are highly uninformed and vote blindly" porn. It proves one of my petty irritations about American politics that I had suspected for years.
You do bring up a good point. He could have highly editorialized his video. He may have interviewed 50 people and those 4-ish people were the only ones ignorant enough to make his point. However, that's highly unlikely. Even Americans, overwhelmingly, think that Americans are uninformed voters.
But, to clear that suspicion that this interviewer doctored his interviews, here is Howard Stern (liberal/libertarian) who states at the beginning of his video that he's playing "all ten of his interviews":
Here's another video about this 2008 election that is similar:
And here's an article that talks about some of the details about how truly ignorant American voters are (without the taint of Ziegler's clear anti-Obama slant):
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-oe-goldberg31jul31-column.html
Again, I'd like to point out that the first time I saw a video like the one I posted earlier, it was about McCain supporters. This has nothing to do with how ignorant Obama supporters are, specifically, and everything to do with how ignorant the average American voter is.
I've proposed a very fascist and very dumb idea that would require Americans take a US Political Proficiency test. This test would require that a potential American voter prove that they know how the US Political process works and that they are informed of the candidates' positions to a reasonable extent. This does not take care of the lying that the politicians due (such as the absurdly long list of broken promises Obama has) but it would be a large step in eliminating ignorant votes. Here's why this is a bad idea: we had something like this, already, known as the "Grandfather Clause." It's a real shame. I mean well but it would clearly have a disparate impact on protected demographics such as "race."* However, and to the shock of many racist white people, I believe the Latino citizens, who naturalized, would be one of the most informed voting demographics.
*Meaning, it would get shot down by the Supreme Court (if it even made it that far) because it would violate amendments and laws.
LOL. That video proves nothing. He only sampled an extremely small fraction of a tiny fraction of voters who, judging from their accents, were all yankees. Probably all from New York since several were wearing clothing supporting the New York Yankees.
Posting a video that shows such a tiny sampling of American voters who all happen to be from the same place and saying "Hey, look how dumb Americans are" is just genuine American hate. Reality check for you DDD: voters from any country can be dumb. I guess everyone from your P-O-S country are all goddamn geniuses, huh? 🙄
Here's a brilliant idea for you, "genius": Since American politics "irritate" you as you say then why not just ignore them idiot instead of coming on here spouting your mouth off about how stupid Americans are you ignorant jackass? Now I remember why I had your *** on ignore in the first place.
Originally posted by dadudemonSo because something that may or may not have been done to McCain, I have never heard of him being attacked for his self proclaimed religious status, I must now except the same for Obama even if I do not agree with it?
I do not believe TI is a Christian. IIRC, he is agnostic or atheist.And, yes, it would be a bad thing if Obama was a secret Muslim. But it has nothing to do with the exact fact that the secret religion is "Islam." It could Buddhist or Hindu for all it matters. The issue is his lying about his religion...and everything else. Libtards were sure to jump all over McCain's ass about his probable agnosticism because he didn't go to church very often. Obviously, you should expect critiques to be thrown at Obama for his not-so-Christian-friendly ideals because he specifically espouses "Christianity" as his religion.
Truthfully I could care less what the President's religion is along as it doesn't have things like Human Sacrifice that he is trying to push to be active.
Also everyone lies about something. Whether to other people or even themselves. Hopefully Obama is not lying or hopefully his lies are not getting people killed. If his lies were harming people then I would care.
As it stands he says he is Christian other than people trying to convince the world he is a secret muslim I do not see anything to really say he isn't or that it really is that big of a concern.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
A bigoted but possibly not racist spade?
I would say I am pretty color blind. I have two of my cousins are mixed race, one of long time best friends is black.
Many of my friends are of many race/ethnicity. I have lived in the south much off life and traveled the world and experiencedsny cultures.
Iirc you said black people made you cautios so I think you are pretty racist from that statement. You just are a spinning hypocrite.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I would say I am pretty color blind. I have two of my cousins are mixed race, one of long time best friends is black.Many of my friends are of many race/ethnicity. I have lived in the south much off life and traveled the world and experiencedsny cultures.
Iirc you said black people made you cautios so I think you are pretty racist from that statement. You just are a spinning hypocrite.
You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but at least I'm not a coward who won't face up to his own failings.