Apparently it was only 2. So now I'm unsure why the phuck we were even discussing this. Who brought this "everyone was expelled" stuff up?
Originally posted by Lestov16
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/us/university-of-oklahoma-sigma-alpha-epsilon-racist-fraternity-video.html?_r=0Apparently it was only 2. So now I'm unsure why the phuck we were even discussing this. Who brought this "everyone was expelled" stuff up?
That's stupid as well. They should have expelled everyone who was signing along.
Maybe they wanted, but weren't able to prove with 100% accuracy who was singing?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Doesn't seem too harsh a punishment.
Yeah not everyone was expelled, but the frat was disbanded. You say it's not a harsh punishment, my problem is the fact there needed to be punishment at all for the people who did not participate.
I feel people can be disappointed over cowardice, but PUNISHED?
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, the students that did nothing could be seen as guilty for not reporting threats of violence. Do wonder if the school used this as a reason to expel everyone, regardless if they chanted along or not.
So wait, singing a song with violent lyrics equates to threatening people with violence?
If they were singing that "I shot the sheriff" song, would they of been detained and questioned over the possibility they had killed a sheriff?
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah not everyone was expelled, but the frat was disbanded. You say it's not a harsh punishment, my problem is the fact there needed to be punishment at all for the people who did not participate.I feel people can be disappointed over cowardice, but PUNISHED?
They weren't really punished. If anything, OU did them a favor. Something tells me having that frat on a job application won't go smooth.
Originally posted by Surtur
So wait, singing a song with violent lyrics equates to threatening people with violence?If they were singing that "I shot the sheriff" song, would they of been detained and questioned over the possibility they had killed a sheriff?
Are you really comparing their racist chant to a Bob Marley/Eric Clapton song?
Originally posted by Lestov16
They weren't really punished. If anything, OU did them a favor. Something tells me having that frat on a job application won't go smooth.
They were punished. If they were given the option to leave the frat or remove it from a job application that is one thing. Not being given the option? That is punishment.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you really comparing their racist chant to a Bob Marley/Eric Clapton song?
What I'm saying is that when did reciting lyrics to a racist song become equivalent to a threat?
If you go walking down the street and you are singing the song "Cop Killa"..should you be detained for making threats against police officers?
Originally posted by Surtur
They were punished. If they were given the option to leave the frat or remove it from a job application that is one thing. Not being given the option? That is punishment.
Not really. You think the frat shouldn't have been disbanded?
Originally posted by Surtur
What I'm saying is that when did reciting lyrics to a racist song become equivalent to a threat?If you go walking down the street and you are singing the song "Cop Killa"..should you be detained for making threats against police officers?
Mainstream pop songs aren't the same as explicitly saying that your frat will hang a black man from a tree and never accept them into the frat. It's not the same thing and you know it.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Not really. You think the frat shouldn't have been disbanded?
I think saying them being banned from the frat is not punishment is false, yes.
Mainstream pop songs aren't the same as explicitly saying that your frat will hang a black man from a tree and never accept them into the frat. It's not the same thing and you know it.
As I understand it, they were singing a racist song with racist lyrics. As opposed to..just on the spot making UP a song about how they love racism.
Just like there would be a difference between you, on the spot, making up a song about how you love killing cops and describing all the ways you'd kill cops..and you merely singing a song that contains violent lyrics.
I could see someone being detained/arrested depending on where they sang the song. I mean...walk up to a police and start singing "Cop Killer" or "I shot the Sheriff". What do you think will happen?
Regardless, this comparison doesn't work. "Cop Killer" is actually talking about police brutality and "I shot the sheriff" isn't advocating killing cops. The law stepping in on someone singing either is a different ball game.
This racist chant, literally, bans black people from their frat among other things. The institution decides to break it up. This isn't the law doing anything, this is the people deciding "hey, you may not have meant harm, but what you are doing is really ****ed up. The fact that you don't even realize it indicates there is a deeper problem within this campus organization that we refuse to tolerate. Your frat is no more."
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, the students that did nothing could be seen as guilty for not reporting threats of violence. Do wonder if the school used this as a reason to expel everyone, regardless if they chanted along or not.
So, if I was like, just sitting on the bus minding my own biz, I'd get expelled for doing nothing?
It's official. We live in the pussified PG generation.