The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Eh, Jinn was beyond the normal Jedi Force ghosts, if that was what you are referring to.

Huh? It's the other way around actually. Jinn's ghost technique was actually inferior as his "training was incomplete".

He had training in the first place. Those TOR Jedi Masters and stuff never went to those mystical Force gods and learned from them.

Revan says he became a ghost by releasing his attachments and thus became pure. Pretty simple, TBH.

Well pre-emptively f*ck TCW for screwing up Force Ghosts. Those garbage pricks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How so? I mean, they can talk to people and do a few more things (Orgus apearing in the Hero's mind for example) but I'm not aware of more than that and I just checked the Jedi Path and it states no interaction.

And it would be incorrect. Qui-Gon is shown using the force in TCW. Hell, Obi-Wan controls Luke in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. He was supposedly so above the Dread Masters that they were insignificant to him and he has a ton of other hype to that effect. All that's changed is that now he's getting the exposure that adds credence to things we already knew.

Which is nothing more then hype. Vitiate's actual feats (prior to his Yavin ritual) are relatively unimpressive compared to his supposed stature. His feats since are considerably more impressive. So yes, it is speculation to say he is weaker now. Especially since he is now fueling his power via death.

@Nepthys: Or actually, **** SWTOR for implying everyone and their mother can become ghosts.

In the old days, Kun becoming a Force Ghost was a big deal. Fodder Sith are now like "**** yeah, I'll be a ghost because yolo!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Nepthys: Or actually, **** SWTOR for implying everyone and their mother can become ghosts.

In the old days, Kun becoming a Force Ghost was a big deal. Fodder Sith are now like "**** yeah, I'll be a ghost because yolo!

Isn't becoming a force ghost the complete opposite of Yolo?

I accept your concession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWzy5q_M5Ho

Originally posted by ares834
And it would be incorrect. Qui-Gon is shown using the force in TCW. Hell, Obi-Wan controls Luke in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

Which is nothing more then hype. Vitiate's actual feats (prior to his Yavin ritual) are relatively unimpressive compared to his supposed stature. His feats since are considerably more impressive. So yes, it is speculation to say he is weaker now. Especially since he is now fueling his power via death.

Lol Splinter of the Minds Eye. Haven't they burned all the copies yet? But anyway screw TCW. Hmm, wasn't that on Mortis tho? Could be an exception or something.

Eh, not really. He still stood up with Sidious, Yoda and co with his feats of crushing Revan, obliterating the Strike Team, smashing dark temple, eclipsing Nyriss' lightning, cowing the Dread Masters in the first place and blah blah. We always knew he was this level, at the least from being >> Revan. His position just got more solid. It's not just speculation. We know he was weakened considerably and the ritual to restore him wasn't completed properly. We know that as spirit isn't as strong as a full bodied person. It's speculation to say he's back to full strength when we know he wasn't before.

Nope. Not on Mortis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We know that as spirit isn't as strong as a full bodied person.

No we don't. Especially not one brought back by a ritual who then performs far more impressive feats then before.

Originally posted by Selenial
I asked him to clarify your email, nothing more. Even then he didn't reply.

Genuine question, since I know others have emailed. Had anyone other than Ant actually had anything back? 🙄

Nope.

He hasn't responded to me either from Feburary 17th, btw. 🙁

Originally posted by Selenial

Genuine question, since I know others have emailed. Had anyone other than Ant actually had anything back? 🙄

He was responding to me up until February 13th or so

I figure he's either busy (as he's stated before), or bothered to check out KMC/TOR/etc and ended up deciding we take this shit WAY too seriously and decided to "**** it" so to speak :hmm

He'd actually know to check, given when he asked me if there was a forum with a bunch of questions for him due to the recent flood of shit you assholes were sending him (on top of how similar the content of my unrelated questions were apparently), I mentioned that I had shared the answers he gave me here and such fun shit :maybe

He's not really obligated to respond either way, this is purely a fan service he can revoke at any time he chooses

Not like he's paid to shoot the shit with us rabid fans so to speak :maybe

Originally posted by NewGuy01
A long confrontation? It was a little over 15 seconds.

No.

The confrontation lasted much longer: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t607216.html

Caedus didn't stomp the Jedi Strike Team. He defeated the Jedi, but used some external developments to his advantage during the duel (e.g. pulling down a nearby speeder upon Jedi positions to disrupt or kill them; deflecting blaster fire towards Jedi pursuing him).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol @Legend not using his full name the Sith Emperor.

A Sith is a Force sensitive who abides by Sith philosophy, and the Sith Emperor does so to the letter.


Emperor's actions imply otherwise. He have become an enemy of both Jedi and Sith and wants to destroy both for personal gains, he is not promoting Sith cause.

Originally posted by Selenial
Unfortunately, what is stated in a game/book/novel is far higher canon than an authors blog posts. It's why none of us take Ant's emails with Karpyshyn or Avellone seriously.

The game stands above that post. Vitiate used a nexus.


In the game, we have "POV" of characters and on-screen demonstrations of Emperor's actions. I don't think that everybody is an authority on Emperor's ground realities in-universe.

The official disclosure from BioWare represents nuetral explanation of Emperor's actions on Ziost and I see no reason to doubt its crediblity.

Kaphyshyn and Avellone's disclosures are personal. BioWare disclosures are official. Apples and Oranges comparison here.

As for Ziost, it is officially not recognized as a nexus. And you cannot prove that Emperor drew power from a nexus to perform his actions on Ziost.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor's actions imply otherwise. He have become an enemy of both Jedi and Sith and wants to destroy both for personal gains, he is not promoting Sith cause.
My apologies, but where exactly in Sith philosophy does it decree, "thou shalt not turn on thy brethern."? The answer is nowhere, instead its practically encouraged. All that means is his Sith goals run contrary to those of other Sith.

Darth Bane wanted to destroy the Brotherhood of Sith, does that make him not a Sith? Darth Sidious took down Darth Maul, a Sith Lord, and opposed his rogue faction. Does that make him not a Sith? Conflicting interests among the Sith are not new in Star Wars lore, this one is merely more extreme.

I explained over at SWTOR why the Sith Emperor abides by Sith philosophy very closely, and much more closely than his peers.

I'll repost my thoughts below.

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The Sith Emperor may not be conventional in his pursuit of power but he fulfills every line of the Sith Code to the letter.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

This one needs no explanation, while one may point to the fact that Emperor is seemingly emotionless. There is a difference between simply emotions and passion. And according to the SWTOR Encyclopedia: "Young Sith flocked to the emotionless and enigmatic Lord Vitiate. He told them to restrain their emotions and let anger fuel their power from within." Anger = passion, so yeah that box is most certainly ticked.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Again, anger fueling power from within. Anger and hatred is the source of the Sith Emperor's strength, however buried. That's another box ticked.

Through strength, I gain power.

The foundation of the Sith Emperor's powerbase is the dark side of the Force. The ritual of Nathema, his is own immortality, the Hands, the Wrath, the Voice, the Royal Guard and countless other disciples of his are products of his power in the Force. The final ritual itself that he seeks to perform is one of strength becoming power.

Another box ticked.

Through power, I gain victory

Victory over the Republic, victory in the form of devouring the galaxy etc. The Emperor has goals, he therefore has ambitions of being victorious by completing said goals. Another box ticked.

Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

The very goal that the Emperor perceives is one of freedom. He proclaims that "There is no death, there is only the Force. And I am its master." He seeks freedom from death, he seeks freedom from the Force itself by becoming dominant over it and by destroying the galaxy and the universe itself he hopes to complete his acension to encompass total dominance over every living thing in the galaxy and total freedom to do as he pleases.

I will experience or ignore them as I wish, I will spend eternity becoming everything, a farmer, an artist. A simple man. When every living being in the Galaxy finally dies, I will have peace, and wait for the cycle to start again.
This is ultimate freedom, freedom to do whatever and be whatever he pleases. I cannot think of a purer expression of freedom that to be able to experience whatever you want and be whatever you want. And the Force? He's free of that as well, effectively the entire universe is his oyster. That is his ultimate goal. Box most certainly ticked.

And of course, he has freedom to do it all over again. Infinitely. Infinite freedom, infinite power. That is what every follower of the Sith Code ultimately aspires for. But perhaps few truly understand what it really entails.

So yeah, the Sith Emperor may not hold the title of Sith Lord but his ultimate goal is to achieve the tenants of the Sith Code in its entirety. The only reason that we perceive his goals to be abject to this is because, well, "we perceive a fraction of reality" the idea of total freedom from the Force is not as we would initially imagine it. We forget that conquering the galaxy, crushing the Jedi and becoming uber-powerful does not fulfill the Sith Code.

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To quote Yuthura Ban:

One who has freed themselves from all restrictions has reached perfection… their potential fulfilled. Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny.
Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny. How can one achieve perfect strength and power if others exist to hold power in the universe? Perfect power must be absolute. And how can one achieve perfect destiny if one is destined to die, at the hands of old age (the Force) or at the hands or another? Only through absolute immortality.

The full potential of the Sith Emperor is total dominance over the universe. I'd argue that no other Sith has ever been truer to the Sith Code than the Emperor, only he actually perceived the perfect goal of the Sith.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not saying he contradicted, but the Dev said:

"Using [b]his immense power in the dark side of the Force, he has dominated the minds of the planet's martial forces--as well as an elite cadre of militaristic Jedi--and has set them against the populace, engaging in a bloody slaughter."

Authorial intent seems that while Vitiate did do it on a nexus, he could probably do it off a nexus as well. At least, that's my speculation. [/B]

Stating Authorial intent isn't helping your point, otherwise the line about Vitiate utilizing the dark side nexus of Ziost wouldn't have been added in the production. Obviously they wanted to make it known to the viewers/players that that was the case.

Also, a dark side nexus is a place unusually strong in the dark side (Jedi Academy Training Manual), thus making it potent compared to other places.

Dumbass:

Authorial intent seems that while Vitiate did do it on a nexus, he could probably do it off a nexus as well. At least, that's my speculation.

Lol at people ignoring that Lana Beniko casually deflects Vitshit's manipulation. Confirmed: Fodder fall for his nonsense.

If you actually read the posts you would see people have mentioned it. 👆

His power and influence was expanded on millions of people, like ares834 said. 😬