Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you actually read the posts you would see people have mentioned it. 👆His power and influence was expanded on millions of people, like ares834 said. 😬
Millions of fodder excellent
Also what's with these martial Jedi with an additional level to the Jedi Code. FFS SWTOR really can come up with some terribad shit.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dumbass:
You must have a very, very tiny head, as points always miss it.
Again, in a much simpler way, if that was the intent then the particular line wouldn't have been provided for us, it would be pretty much irrelevant.
In other words, there's a reason it was added and emphasized for us.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Good one.Except you can't use one intent but then ignore the other.
You need to understand the bigger picture.Emphasized? LOL, one dude said it in one line.
Of course I can since you're the one who brought up authorial intent, which only hurt your case. If the intent was that Vitiate can pull it off without using the nexus then the line would not have been added at all. Simple.
Emphasize doesn't mean to constantly harp on, though that can be one way to emphasize something.
Originally posted by NephthysNot true. First lets be clear that the dark side of the Force is just as much a part of the Force as the light, the old view that the dark side is a "cancer" has been debunked.
Um, I'm pretty sure the whole point of a Sith Spirit is that they don't become part of the Living Force? That's like the entire point and what differentiates them from Jedi ghosts. They may be composed of Force energy, but its contained by their will and unconnected to the Living Force itself.
The Living Force is in everything and binds everything together.
All energy from the Living Force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the Cosmic Force, binding everything and communicating to us through the midi-chlorians. Because of this, I can speak to you now.Could be that Force ghosts are made of Cosmic Energy (the meta side of the Force) and they sort of pass into the Living Force to effect the physical realm I don't know. What's important is that Sith and Jedi are all bound up in the same stuff. Period.--The spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn, communing with Yoda
The difference between a Force Ghost and a Sith Spirit is a philosophical one. As Ant pointed out a Jedi becoming a Force ghost involves giving themselves up to the Force, they embrace the Netherworld and in a reciprocal kind of relationship are able to manifest in the living world in some way. But as I say the relationship they have chosen is reciprocal, they are still in part at one with the Force, detached from the physical plain and therefore cannot (or choose not) to influence it in profound ways.
When a Sith dies its different, unlike a Jedi they cling to the physical world, they are obsessed with the material and refused to depart from the physical plain and become one with the Force. Their relationship is a struggle, they anchor themselves to places and because of their refusal to become one with the Force, attempt and in many cases succeed in effecting the physical plane.
However the Force it constantly attempting to drag them in the nether, screaming and kicking, which might explain why they can become exhausted, because the Force is sucking them dry. But if they can resist that process, and effectively anchor themselves to the physical plain, they can effect the physical world in profound ways.
Like I said, wheres your evidence that they're more closely tied to the Force and thus can channel it easier? A state of limbo means that you're unconnected to both the spiritual and physical planes. That's likely why so many Sith Spirits draw on other sources of energy to do things: Vitiate, Kallig, Kun, Ragnos etc. A Jedi ghost is connected more towards the Force, but is unable to interact with the physical world (Jedi Path), a Sith Spirit can interact with the physical world with the Force but is unconnected to it by their desire to remain independent. Thats my understanding at least.If they were unconnected to both plains they'd be a wound in the Force, for obvious reasons that's problematic.
Its like this:
Physical body > Midichlorians > The Force
Both Force Ghosts and Sith Spirits are in between midichlorians and the Force, and therefore enjoy a closer relationship than that a physical being, I'd agree that a Force Ghost - subsumed in the Force to the point where they can barely touch the physical plane, is closer to the Force than a Sith Spirit, but in the absence of midichlorians they still have a more direct link, a link so potent its actually pulling them in.
The causes of exhaustion covered above.
Because he didn't do anything or expend any energy. He basically hibernated the whole time. We see in TOR that spirits tire quite easily. Kallig states multiple times that he cannot do much without needing to recover and conserve his energy. The times he interacts with Nox appear to cost him energy quite rapidly. At points he even implies that he'd only capable of certain actions because of Nox's own power.Fair point concerning Kun and Kallig, however this is likely the result of thousands of years of basically slowly being sucked dry by the Force, to which I'd assume, if unable to replenish themselves, they'd be consumed/annihilated completely.And Vitiate was explicitly diminished by being forced into a spirit form. He was not capable of recovering on his own and required outside forces to return to a sufficient state. If he were more closely connected to the Force than ever, why couldn't he draw on it to recover just like a normal living Sith Lord?
That is not the case for the Sith Emperor though, who is very much fresh from the oven. Lets remember though that the guy has experienced a series of setbacks prior to becoming a spirit including losing the First Son, being interrupted during a galaxy wide ritual, and finally having his Voice struck down, he was forced to become a spirit because he didn't have the energy to keep himself together any more, of course he would be severely weakened, and even as a spirit we can't expect him to recover that fast.
But how weak is he really? Is he not already performing feats that match if not surpass anything he did in life?
And I countered those examples by pointing out that the spirits were capable of that in a temple that puts people under considerable mental strain. And aren't the Sith in the Dark Temple all exceptional, which is why they were worthy of being put in it in the first place? Theres nothing mere about them, that they were even capable of manifesting spirits indicates they're a cut above average. And Kun needed to draw on the power of Yavin and Durron.Dominating Sith Lords is pretty exceptional even for exceptional Sith, Sith Lords who should be if anything empowered by the Dark Temple, not weakened by it.
Exar Kun had lost much of his strength over 4,000 as I explained, so the fact he had to amp himself is of little consequence. At full spirit strength he would have no doubt been capable of these feats without assistance.
Uh, yeah. Kun has a powerful spirit. Doesn't mean he's as powerful as he was in life. And even though he believed he'd be capable of running rampant, as we saw he was very much limited. So that quote doesn't hold up. He was limited in is existence and in his ability to influence the world.[quote]Your not accounting for the "chains of his mortal body" which basically translates into his body was limiting his capacity to wield the Force, and would be stronger as a spirit.He existed as maxichlorians, to bring up the scale again:His powers were only limited because of a Wall of Light conducted by the entire Jedi Order, which failed to kill him and barely contained him. :/
[quote]Wasn't Tenebrous' existence after death unique though? He didn't become a standard Force spirit. We [b]know Vitiate didn't experience anything like that and was basically crazed and impotent in death.[/b]
Physical body > midichlorians > the Force
Tenebrous would therefore be in the middle. He may not be a fully fledged spirit but the point is in shedding his physical form, he experienced a more intimate connection to the Force, and heightened abilities, if he had taken the next step and shed physical matter (i.e. maxichlorians, biological micoorganisms) he should theoretically have become even stronger.
You say Vitiate didn't experience "anything like that" but we don't know that. In fact, so far the Sith Emperor appears pretty omniscient. He knew everything that was going on on Yavin 4 and all Revan's plans, and new that their actions would restore his power. Nothing suggests the Emperor is remotely dumb or confused. Yes initially he was a jabbering wreck, but that's whats do be expected when you are unexpectable killed, he has composure now.
Well to this I'd suggest we wait for more information. I doubt he'd need an anchor though, by all accounts Vitiate isn't limited in that capacity like a standard spirit. That's why his existence is also unique and he's "conquered death" in his words. If he was so limited then he really would just be a freaking bog standard spirit no different than Freedon Nadd or something.The Sith Emperor has demonstrated his superiority to other spirits in two ways. Firstly his sheer raw power, and secondly his ability to traverse the galaxy, and leave Yavin 4.You mean he never possessed anyone other than his Children and Voices? 😛
At any rate, I don't see why Lana would be further from his spirit than all the other people he possessed. Across the planet. Your point is entirely speculative. That he was unable to possess her is presented as a question of power and there's no real basis for your argument other than more unsubstantiated arguments.
However, that doesn't mean he can do so indefinitely, and won't eventually need an anchor to return to, and even if he does he's still better than most Sith Spirits, who can't leave their anchors for any time at all, and if they attempted to would probably be destroyed.
But, we know the Emperor needed the hands to transport his essence, so clearly the Sith Emperor has limitations.
But yes, best to await the update, though I expect he's housed in the temple.
And I'm not arguing distance is the only factor. Most likely Lana is more powerful than anyone else on the planet, and that, combined with the distance factor, is preventing the Sith Emperor from possessing her. Simply put, the Sith Emperor, in spirit form, can likely only possess subjects weaker than Lana from afar, it remains a question of power.
And no, pretty sure he's never possessed anyone from a far without a preexisting link, heck, he couldn't even possess his former apprentice, only torment her.