The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

Started by S_W_LeGenD36 pages

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Less vague combat feats doesn't translate to being a Caedus level combatant. Though Vitiate has more potent attacks, Caedus' defenses are stronger than Vitiate's attacks, and possibly even greater TK.

Here is the difference:-

When Caedus confronted a Jedi Strike Team, it turned out to be a long battle and Caedus relied on a nearby speeder to turn the tide of the battle.

When Emperor confronted a Jedi Strike Team, he easily overwhelmed the opposition with his powers.

Conclusion: Emperor >>>> Caedus

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah, what they focus on in fights is very important.

"The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward."

I never said Vitiate is invincible. 😬 I'm sure you agree that trying to dominate someone's mind takes more effort than defending against it so if it doesn't work, it can backfire like it did in this case. Vitiate never saw that coming though. He was able f*** Scourge up without even properly mindraping him and Scourge is Meetra Surik's equal. So I'm pretty sure he didn't think there was someone out there who could actually defend against his TP attacks and tbf, Revan was successful mostly due to experience.

They still aren't as close as you make it sound though.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here? I never said the two were equal or close to it. Merely pointed out that the "new" Vitiate is considerably more impressive because of shit like this.

Fair enough.

@LeGenD,

There's a source that credits Palpatine's knowledge of wormholes from the ancient sith spirits, using the knowledge to teleport his spirit, so that may have given some context as to what Palpatine meant. Otherwise, every other source indicates Palpatine's spirit never left the physical world.

And yes, Palpatine's clones were deteriorating rapidly, hence him using Byss' populace to increase his life, nothing more.

@Sinious--I know what you meant, but Caedus is far above even some of the best combatants.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
SIDIOUS 66's motion that Vitiate is still a Sith is lolworthy.

Nice to see you took SKILLS approach in analyzing Revan's power. Not bad. He's a good example for the TOR fans.

A long confrontation? It was a little over 15 seconds.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nice to see you took SKILLS approach in analyzing Revan's power. .

What?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The content is under development. Also, I have posted official information of BioWare regarding Emperor's actions on Ziost. It is good enough to dispel other claims.

I have provided actual quote from a novel which implies that Emperor is not a Sith in strict sense. Irrespective of how Emperor is perceived, your ranking preferences are based on outdated sources. Much have changed since then.

Lol @Legend not using his full name the Sith Emperor.

A Sith is a Force sensitive who abides by Sith philosophy, and the Sith Emperor does so to the letter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
There's nothing indicating that's true or that he has a heightened connection to the Force. If anything he has a lesser connection to the Force because he's not actually connected to it like someone would be through their midi-chlorians. That's probably why spirits get so tired so easily and need outside replenishment. They lack the ability to channel power from the Force directly. And you didn't explain why that would make his feat easier for him to perform. Why would your theoretical state make it so he can do more with less?
Erm, Force spirits are made from Force energy, they are part of the Living Force itself. Midi-chlorians are not the Force, they are a middle man, channeling the Force through midichlorians is not channeling the Force directly, its channeling it indirectly.

I mean really this is basically Star Wars knowledge, that when a Force User dies they pass into the Netherworld of the Force, that they become one with the Force. The spirit state is therefore a state of limbo, but its much closer to the Force than any coporeal being could be, who channels the Force through an essential third party.

I also see no evidence to support the notion that spirits tire easily. It took 4,000 years for Exar Kun's powers to be exhausted, and still he was powerful.

I've already provided many examples to support my argument, such as mere Sith Lords dominating the minds of other Sith Lords in the Dark Temple, which at the time only the Sith Emperor himself appeared capable of, and Exar Kun invading Luke's mind and sending him into a coma.

I'd also remind you of this quote:

Drained from thousands of Massassi sacrifices ... the power is rising. The ritual begun ... Sith power objects unleashed! Even as the Jedi approach, Exar Kun prepares to unleash his powerful spirit ... to shed the chains of his mortal body and run rampant throughout the cosmos!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...ain+ritual5.jpg

And to add, some interesting things I found from The Tenebrous Way:
Now that his body's physical senses had altogether perished. Tenebrous found his perception of the Force to be proportionately heightened. With glorious precision, he could trace the slightest wisp of Plagueis' clumsy Force-probing as his apprentice sought to record and analyze every detail of Plagueis's death. He could feel Plagueis himself: crouched nearby, his eyes closed, the long spiderish fingers of one hand stretched forth as though to snatch Tenebrous' disappearing midi-chlorians from mid-air.

--Taken from The Tenebrous Way

Now, dead at last, he could begin to enjoy the fruits of his lifelong labor. In the Force, he could feel that his body had already suffered irreversible brain-death, yet his consciousness remained, fully aware, fully functional, and connected to the Force in a manner more intimate than he had ever believed possible. Freed now of the crude biological processes that mark the passage of time, Tenebrous found he could perceive the measured tick of each individual nanosecond while simultaneously comprehending the entire sweep of galactic eons.

--Taken from The Tenebrous Way

I think its made obvious by these sources that when freed from your physical form barriers are broken down.
What? Why do you think he needs to be in someones presence? He's a spirit, he doesn't have a presence. And he's controlled the military of an entire planet, was he in the presence of all of them at the time? But yeah, he was. In his Jedi Master body, multiple times. He wasn't in the presence of the soldiers he dominates at the end of the video either, so obviously it isn't needed. Not that there's a reason a mental domination would require such proximity even speculatively. And as a spirit, there's nothing stopping him from simply getting closer to her if that's a factor.
The Sith Emperor does have a presence, we see it leaving Yavin 4, and that presence needs an anchor, I expect the Emperor was capable of traversing the galaxy for a short while, but eventually he'd need somewhere for his spirit to be housed, and perhaps hand the assistance of the Emperor's Hand in his "escape".

Selenial said something about a Temple, so expect upon arriving on Ziost, his presence was housed their, or somewhere on the planet, and it is there he is projecting himself. So yes, I would argue proximity is the issue here, so its not proof he's weaker than his corporeal form, which again never possessed anyone from a far.

Erm, Force spirits are made from Force energy, they are part of the Living Force itself. Midi-chlorians are not the Force, they are a middle man, channeling the Force through midichlorians is not channeling the Force directly, its channeling it indirectly.

I mean really this is basically Star Wars knowledge, that when a Force User dies they pass into the Netherworld of the Force, that they become one with the Force. The spirit state is therefore a state of limbo, but its much closer to the Force than any coporeal being could be, who channels the Force through an essential third party.

I also see no evidence to support the notion that spirits tire easily. It took 4,000 years for Exar Kun's powers to be exhausted, and still he was powerful.

You really aren't getting it. Sith spirits have never been stronger than their corporeal form. There is ONLY evidence of that fact, despite your ridiculous "middle man" .

@Beni:

He is no longer the Sith Emperor. If you had a basic understanding on SWTOR you would know they now refer to him specifically as "Vitiate" and even say...

"Attention former Sith Emperor! Your repeated and horrific crimes against the Republic and innocent civilians throughout the galaxy will not go unpunished."

"War has broken out across the globe. Our former Emperor, however, has limited his involvement to the area around New Adasta--near you."

"Vitiate is not our Emperor. Not anymore."

"Aid in diminishing the former Sith Emperor's power by defeating the following enemies in any difficulty mode"

Please stop embarrassing yourself. I got a link for content I suggest you should start off with: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110313101549AA2KU7q 😄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The content is under development. Also, I have posted official information of BioWare regarding Emperor's actions on Ziost. It is good enough to dispel other claims.

Unfortunately, what is stated in a game/book/novel is far higher canon than an authors blog posts. It's why none of us take Ant's emails with Karpyshyn or Avellone seriously.

The game stands above that post. Vitiate used a nexus.

(Sel emailed Avellone asking about the Exile vs Revan in lightsaber combat. #irony)

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ily mom

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
(Sel emailed Avellone asking about the Exile vs Revan in lightsaber combat. #irony)

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ily mom

I asked him to clarify your email, nothing more. Even then he didn't reply.

Genuine question, since I know others have emailed. Had anyone other than Ant actually had anything back? 🙄

Also, while I do agree Vitiate was amped, I find it funny Selenial's main argument she is pressing is from a non-Force sensitive Republic spy.

EDIT: Nah, you said you would email him even before I asked about a strict Revan vs Exile in sabers. You want scans, mom? And yeah, ChaosTheory.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Different sith have different ambitions, but still a sith.

This I agree with. The number one Sith standard I always saw was "I have the power, I make the rules!"

A nexus? mmm

Yep. 4:50 mark. So Vitiate is using Ziost's Force nexus and the slaughter of the defenseless to fuel his power. Clearly not representative of his standard capability. I think I'll write this one off. 👆

Cool find, though!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Beni:

He is no longer the Sith Emperor. If you had a basic understanding on SWTOR you would know they now refer to him specifically as "Vitiate" and even say...

"Attention former Sith Emperor! Your repeated and horrific crimes against the Republic and innocent civilians throughout the galaxy will not go unpunished."

"War has broken out across the globe. Our former Emperor, however, has limited his involvement to the area around New Adasta--near you."

"Vitiate is not our Emperor. Not anymore."

"Aid in diminishing the former Sith Emperor's power by defeating the following enemies in any difficulty mode"

Please stop embarrassing yourself. I got a link for content I suggest you should start off with: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110313101549AA2KU7q 😄

Great, so the Sith Emperor is no longer the Emperor.

So what does that make him?

A Sith. 🙄

@Temp: Isn't that the quote by the Republic spy?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Great, so the Sith Emperor is no longer the Emperor.

So what does that make him?

A Sith. 🙄

Yeah, not your finest argument, Ant. Vitiate is clearly no longer leader of the Sith empire. You've presented nothing that says he's no longer a Sith.

I wasn't arguing he wasn't a Sith - I honestly don't care that much to waste more time in this shithole. 😉

My point was Beni's entire argument was how they put Sith in front of the his Emperor title, but they don't refer to him as the Emperor anymore.