Nah I'm feeling more and more that it's the Hapans.
Blue and Gold are the royal colors, the fountain room is the throne room of the queen, and there is one of those on her royal ship called the "Star One" which would also explain the random skyscrapers in space, as its a city ship.
Definitely the Hapans tbh.
Malgus didn't went rogue, he wanted to reform the Empire and make it better. Unfortunately for him, Dark Council stood in his way.
Also, Emperor was the only being who managed to control so many Sith at a time. In a setting involving multiple super-strong Sith, you cannot expect much cooperation or partnership. Sith strive for supremacy.
With Emperor out of the picture, it wasn't surprising that the Empire began to internally fracture.
Originally posted by SelenialSounds interesting, is this from the Celebration panel?
Nah I'm feeling more and more that it's the Hapans.Blue and Gold are the royal colors, the fountain room is the throne room of the queen, and there is one of those on her royal ship called the "Star One" which would also explain the random skyscrapers in space, as its a city ship.
Definitely the Hapans tbh.
However to be honest it looks like a planet beneath the ship, so its possible that it could be one that the "Star Forge" has terraformed or something...
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sounds interesting, is this from the Celebration panel?However to be honest it looks like a planet beneath the ship, so its possible that it could be one that the "Star Forge" has terraformed or something...
It just doesn't make sense to me, to have skyscrapers That high.
The Hapan ship was made just after the Mandalorian wars, and the Hapes Consortium fell sometime between 4000 bby and 3000 bby, it makes a huge amount of sense for it to be them.
The ship had a throne room from which you couldn't actually see the ship, only the city. And the city was skyscrapers, so theoretically from the throne room all you could see of the ship was the buildings, possibly creating the illusion they're from the planet below.
I dunno, that seems the most logical. And would be an amazing story to see.
Ps: yes I agree that's a planet, just confused on the buildings.
Originally posted by psmith81992Any less baseless than your own assertion, that the Wrath would have barely ever been in contact with the Emperor over 300 years?
Since you don't know how much actual time he spent with the emperor, nor if they were even at the same location or he just talked to him through comlink, this is a baseless.
Regardless, think what you will. If we are comparing him to Sidious is hardly matters as Sidious was able to read Vader's mind from light years away.
No direct contact required.
And for the record, Palpatine was a busy guy as well.
Originally posted by NephthysWhen did this occur? Revan was in stasis the whole time...
By this point Revan had taught Scourge how to protect his mind from Vitiate and it's specifically noted in Swtore that Vitiate preserved Scourges mind and ability from direct contact with his mind. Which would have harmed him.
Also the SWTORE merely notes that he was spared the crippling binding process which basically involved slaving Scourge to the Emperor's own consciousness, that is quite a lot different from never ever reading his mind.
Originally posted by NephthysThe Sith Emperor, being the supreme master of the Force he is, never came across to me as the comical cliche of someone who can't touch anything without breaking it due to his immense strength.
A mere brush made Scourge into a screaming pansy. I'm really not convinced he wouldn't cause immeasurable harm reading his mind. Also, couldn't Scourge just be being very careful with his surface thoughts? If its as easy as you say, he'd probably know about it.
In fact its pretty obvious that the Sith Emperor is giving him a deliberate taste of his power:
“If your information proves false, however,” the Emperor added, “you will suffer a fate more terrible than anything you can imagine.” As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self.But to say the Sith Emperor can not subtly probe without injuring or altering his victim? That points to a lack of the control Sidious evidently possesses.Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor’s mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child.
Referring to the Bespin incident, we see Sidious probing the mind of Vader with Vader being none the wiser, and yet when Sidious wants his presence to be felt, it is felt.
Suddenly, Vader was struck to his knees by the horribly powerful voice that rolled like fiery thunder through his brain.Much like with Scourge, the mere presence of Sidious' voice in his head brings Vader to his knees, from light-years away. That surpassing the Sith Emperor aside, the fact is Sidious can turn it off and on at will. So why can't Vitiate? If he can then there is no reason why he couldn't have read Scourge's mind other than incapability. He's inferior. If he can't, he hasn't full command over his power as Sidious does. He's inferior....
the voice boomed in his mind, dripping raw evil.
Its a lose lose situation I'm afraid. Sidious has that effect tbh.
Originally posted by NephthysNot easy, just non-intrusive. In fact it would be quite difficult, as trained Force sensitives erect mental walls to prevent probing, and no doubt Scourge would have kept his true motives buried deep. Indeed as far as I'm aware, Darth Sidious is the only Force User capable of reading the surface thoughts and Force sensitives and non-Force sensitives alike with ease.
Plus are you really suggesting that Vitiate is flat out so bad that he can't read surface thoughts, if its as easy as you say? Thats idiotic. 😬
We are talking Vader, Anakin, Luke, Maul etc. he's read people's innermost thoughts, fogged their minds, planted false emotions, and even dreams. He even claimed he clouded the mind of Darth Plagueis himself. Nobody has ever been able to keep anything from Sidious. And I'll just leave this here:
Surprisingly, Palpatine has not disciplined Vader for these doubts. It seems that the Emperor already knows every thought that crosses his servant's mind, and knows how every event will unfold.Again, this level of ability is as far as I'm aware unprecedented, so it does not mean that the Sith Emperor is a pleb for not sensing Scourge's deception, but he is decidedly inferior.--Source: Shadows of the Empire Sourcebook
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo your referring to Luke huh? Then your confused. That is a failure of foresight, not telepathy.
Sidious failed to foresee Luke's defiance, this is not a split-second development. He just failed to foresee Luke's defiance irrespective of his effort to lure Luke to the dark side.As for Lord Scourge, Emperor Vitiate intended to transform him into Emperor's Wrath and it is stated in the SWTOR Enyclopedia that Emperor deliberately spared Emperor's Wrath from his telepathic influence because he wanted Emperor's Wrath to operate at maximum efficiency. This is the reason.
Sidious was unable to foresee i.e. predict, that his attempt to turn Luke would fail. But in the present he knew what the guy was thinking the whole time:
“This Yoda,” the Emperor mused. “Lives he still?”So no, Luke did not succeed in hiding anything from Sidious, you have failed, your highness.Luke focused on the emptiness of space beyond the window behind the Emperor’s chair. The deep void, where nothing was. Nothing. He filled his mind with this black nothing. Opaque, save for the occasional flickering of starlight that filtered through the ether.
“Ah,” cried Emperor Palpatine. “He lives not. Very good, young Skywalker, you almost hid this from me. But you could not. And you can not. Your deepest flickerings are to me apparent. Your nakedest soul. That is my first lesson to you.” He beamed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI would love to but unfornately you failed to provide an instance of Sidious failing to read the mind of Luke. Shame.
Is this the case then explain to me the reason behind Sidious' failure in reading the mind of Luke.In addition, Sidious shared some kind of telepathic link with Vader, if I remember correctly. Due to this factor, it was possible for Sidious to know what Vader had in mind.
Emperor Vitiate had been well-aware of his surroundings and developments in the galaxy. Emperor Vitiate have the ability to read minds as well; when the Jedi Strike Team led by Master Tol Braga approached him on his space station in a 'surprise' arrest attempt, the Emperor successfully identified the Jedi. At this point, HoT (Player) gets the option to ask Emperor Vitiate that how he knows about Tol Braga and the Jedi, and Emperor Vitiate responds that he knows everything.
Yes yes I'm sure he did. And I'm sure for whatever reason it was infinitely stronger than whatever bond the Sith Emperor shared with among his closest of servants.
There is no evidence to suggest Sidious had any mental bond with Vader closer than the bond between Scourge and Vader. Ignoring the fact that Scourge was right in front of him, while Vader was light years away.
And great, the Sith Emperor knows significant members of the Jedi Order, its called information gathering, not telepathy. In fact it was pretty obvious the Sith Emperor saw the attack coming, so of course he was aware of those involved. And its ironic that the Sith Emperor would claim as such, when he had no idea the red skinned guy over there was in fact a traitor.
Originally posted by SelenialI think you may be right tbh. We've had enough Rakata for one, and only recently, it wouldn't make sense to have more.
It just doesn't make sense to me, to have skyscrapers That high.The Hapan ship was made just after the Mandalorian wars, and the Hapes Consortium fell sometime between 4000 bby and 3000 bby, it makes a huge amount of sense for it to be them.
The ship had a throne room from which you couldn't actually see the ship, only the city. And the city was skyscrapers, so theoretically from the throne room all you could see of the ship was the buildings, possibly creating the illusion they're from the planet below.
I dunno, that seems the most logical. And would be an amazing story to see.
Ps: yes I agree that's a planet, just confused on the buildings.
Also there has never been a throne on any of the Forges, thrones suggestion empires, rulers etc. There is also a guy there, looking like he belongs, anyone who belongs on one of the Star Forges is dead so...
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Because the Sith Empire and Republic who would no doubt come into conflict with them are not jammed back with Jedi and Sith?
Storylines without Jedi and Sith are boring storylines.